Shiloh Shepherds? - Page 12

Maggs has never seen a trial, nor has she ever seen a schutzhund dog.  She knows nothing about it, but as usual loves to talk shit about it.  Many have explained to her patiently, over and over again that the reason working lines produce schutzhund lines is that is where the overwhelming majority of working k9s come from, schutzhund lines.  

It's pointless and futile to engage her, she either does not have the mental capacity to understand or only wants to argue and talk out of her ass.  She is not trying to learn a damn thing, she clings to her crazy ideas, regardless of what anyone says, and a few months from now, just like clock work, she will once again say the same thing.  It's mind numbing!

This thread is about Shilohs, not about Maggs or about the edification of maggs. 

What do you think?  My friends either find them qualified and active new  homes for which the dog is better suited, whether that is pet, or service, or keep the dogs themselves as house dogs and get another  dog more suited to what they were looking for.  

Maggs are you getting forgetful in your old age?  YOu have told us all more times than I can count how you have never been to a trial, know nothing about schutzhund, and have no interest in it, because as usual you make your mind up about things before you understand them.  Sort of like how despite what you have been told  by many, just the other day you said you still believe schutzhund dogs and police K9s are regularly helicoptered and strung up by their handlers.

A shitter is a term for a dog that isn't going to cut it on the schutzhund field, for whatever reason, nothing more or less.  Oh by the way, dogs don't take it personally, so no need to worry about hurting their feelings, and the fact that you don't like the term is your problem not mine.

Then if you call a dog that doesn't perform to your "expectations" a "shitter," you are even weirder than I originally thought.   So you/your friends would re-home the dogs .... just like buying a better set of Golf Clubs, huh?     Pfft !   

As Max's name is always being thrown out on the Board,  I personally think he would vehemently disapprove of what is going on with his beloved GSD.  

Maggie.. if you believe shutzhund is a "game" for the dog.  It is because you made it a game. You were not able to have a dog that actually can perform in real situations so you blame the "sport" for your inability to have a dog that will be good at the Sport of Schutzhund. Shutzhund is not a game unless you make it a game.

You can go and race your Honda in a honda competition or you can go and fing a nice race car, pamper it, make it the best it can be for the time and knowledge and race in nationals and worlds. Unless you learn how to recognize a good dog, learn how ro raise a good dog and learn how to train.. there is no way you will ever understand the real passion of the Sport of Schutzhund. or any other dog competition. You are looking for it all, the willingness to work, please yet enough independence so the dog can think without the handler being behing its ass all the time.  

I don't do Schutz because I am LAZY yes I admit I rather go and focus on real scenarios because I get bored.. that is me. I don't talk down to people who have the guts to compete and they do all they can to succeed.. MAybe you should learn to respect people who at least TRY... untill then... well what else needs to be said, right? You can call it a game. I call it.... your lack of knowledge and exposure to working dogs!


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Maggie, I have ScH3, FH1 male, I trialed, titled and I worked as a security guard using dogs to search trains and some of them were cross trained to find Pervitin (solely) on those trains. I worked for a private Agency in Prague where we had dogs who searched the traines for smuggled people from Ukraine and Russia. I know what a real work is.. I still don;t shit on people who do Schutzhund..... I shit on people who shit on people who do shutzhund and they have never even raised and trialed their own dog!

maggs what Max  would disapprove of is people like you whose poor dog sits and rots in a kennel day after day after day, a dog so bored he digs endless holes in his run, a dog you yourself said you won't do anything with because he is too muddy.  You are the last person in the world I would place a dog with, do your dog a favor and find him a home with someone who will at least take him out of the run now and then.

A few things, I like being loved :) But it is also ok if I am not always liked.

I am a he and my sense of humor varies.

and I do have tolerance for those that like other dogs.  I love all dogs, even the dogs I'll never own.  I've been around all sorts, lap dogs, pet dogs, hunting dogs, beagles, labs, retrievers, mals, dutchies, GSD's, mixes, etc.  I don't think I've ever met a dog I haven't liked.  I haven't thought much of a lot of owners, but that's different.  

I really don't care what kind of dog people want or like or chose to work with or do sport or whatever.  and I will tell you that there are people that compete in schutzhund that absolutely test the heck out of their dogs when they train it, to push to find that weakness and use that knowledge to breed better dogs, dogs capable of all sorts of work, not just biting a sleeve.  You know, like it's been done for the past 100 years or so.

There are a lot that pay lip service to work and schtuzhund and what a gsd is, just like the founder of the shiloh's and those people are no better.  You think I cut them some slack cause they have a title  on their breeding dogs or their dog bit a sleeve?  Hardly.  

This is easy to solve, quit riding the coat tails of the GSD and the reputation built over the years.  If you're not doing what was done to create the breed YOU are part of the problem.  That encompasses a lot of breeders.  Take down all the marketing related to GSD's, quit referencing GSD's and just call your dogs what they are and be honest about it.

oh, and I don't bite, until told :)

I still don;t shit on people who do Schutzhund...

.. I shit on people who shit on people who do shutzhund and they have never even raised and trialed their own dog!


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but you think it is just fine to SH** on Ms. Barber and the Shiloh --  this thread was originally about the Shiloh.   There are a few on here that are against that Breed of dog and have been quite rude about it.    Back atcha ! 

Schutzhund is just a Sport -- nothing more, nothing less.