Shiloh Shepherds? - Page 10

voshy said <<  Also if the combo breed catches on and gains popularity what do you think will happen. you think every breeder will keep 100% to the original standard? this is why it is peril for a consumer to do there research and procure dogs from a reliable source regardless of breed.
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First of all, the Shiloh is NOT a "combo" breed!!  Obviously you don't understand much about genetics/selective breeding

However I do agree with you about the buyer beware principal -- that is why I keep writting articles on that subject! We even have a FRAUD ring where you can find them <g>

At least the labradoodle guy has figured out that it was a dumb idea....(sorry about the underlining; can't get it to go away)

-- The man who bred a poodle with a Labrador retriever and called the resulting puppies Labradoodlesnow says he regrets his role in starting today's "designer dog" craze that includes Labradoodles, goldendoodles, puggles, Cavachons and other often highly-priced hybrids. Wally Conran, now 81, bred his first Labradoodle litter in 1988, when he was employed as the manager of the Royal Institute of the Blind's puppy program. When a client expressed a desire for a leader dog but was concerned about aggravating her husband's dog allergy, Conran decided to breed puppies that retained many of the behavioral traits of a Labrador but had the shed-free coat of a poodle. The rest, of course, is history. "But now when people ask me, 'Did you breed the first one?' I have to say, 'Yes, I did, but it's not something I'm proud of,' " Conran said. "I wish I could turn the clock back." Many members of the pet-rescue community share that sentiment. (The Australian)

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2010/05/webclawer-labradoodle-innovator-gray-whale-israel-mice-pain-study-dog-vomit-causes-car-crash.html 

Wrestleman -- Would you spare a few minutes of your time to detail how the German Shepherd Dog became an established Breed.   Please be specific.   Thank you.

if someone is here looking for info on them, then direct them to your boards.  They can get unfettered BS and propaganda over there and none of us will ever know or care again.  it's a win/win situation.  

I just find it funny that there is nothing, nothing, nothing, then all of a sudden we'll get a topic a week on this cash cow and then get all sorts of new users and old that only appear on these threads talking about how great they are with lots of links to propaganda and BS.  Just take them over there and be done with it.

Why does a Shiloh discussion "bother you" so much zdog?  

because i see it as a con artist trying to scam the masses, rather than the person she portrays herself as.  half of her claims are unverifiable, unsubstantiated or flat out lies.  the only authority on the matter is her. all of the history comes from something she has written, one second they are touted as the old world gsd and what gsd's were supposed to be, and the next she's claming they were never gsd's are not gsd's and shouldn't be compared to gsd's. 

IF, they never were compared, were not marketed by using the image  the gsd breed has created, and not using the GSD as a marketing ploy, I probably wouldn't care at all about shiloh discussions.  They aren't a dog i'm interested in at all.  Just like I don't follow pugs, or labs, or retrievers, or pointers.  They aren't for me, and I don't really care what people say about them.  now if they want to start comparing them to a GSD and saying the are what my dog was supposed to be, I'll probably laugh and take a bit of offence to what they're saying , say something  about it and move on.

As you said, you've been out of the working line GSD loop for a long time, Tina, otherwise you would have not made the statement about lack of quality  dogs imported to the United States.  Actually Americans have always been able to import quality dogs, the issue is not whether or not the Germans would sell quality dogs, the issue was the  people  not savvy enough to know what they were looking at.

If you were current,  you would be aware that now more than ever,  the level of dogs we have in the USA both from being bred here and being imported here is as good as anywhere, as evidenced by our placements year in and year out on the international competition stage.  If Germany sells it's shitters to anyone  it's because the people buying them are clueless, too lazy to do their homework or so arrogant they think all they need to do is waive money and Germany will fall over itself to sell them good dogs, all of which is complete bullshit, and so those who are that stupid do that  get what they deserve - shitters.  For those who know what they are doing, and those who have spent time developing relationships and earning respect, top quality dogs are available for import from all over Europe, including Germany.  As for puppies, all puppies are a crap shoot, regardless of where they are born, but rest assured we do not only get Germany's "shit".  People who are seriously looking for a competition dog do better to import a 12 - 18 month old dog, not a puppy. 

Mystere, that's because people keep asking "What are these dogs good for other than being couch pototatoes?" 

So, I keep trying to tell you they CAN work!  I wouldn't be interested in the breed at all if they had the temperment of a lab or a golden, or a yappy lap dog!

But of course, a lot of people here think it's not a working dog unless it can bite a sleeve! 


Maggie Mae wrote: Wrestleman -- Would you spare a few minutes of your time to detail how the German Shepherd Dog became an established Breed. Please be specific. Thank you.

FINALLY!! Someone who GETS IT! 

First of all, I don't like to hear the term "shitters" when referring to some dogs   Animal lovers would NEVER call some GSD's "shitters."   I believe that the person who does this is referring to dogs that they "perceive" cannot work competitively.....also, they "tout work" as being a dog that "bites a sleeve."   Whoo Hoo!  A "working dog" does REAL work.  -Go figure !  

Secondly, Tina Barber does not state her dogs are GSD's.   Why get your  "bowels in an uproar."   There is more to this "hostility" than meets the eye.   Not everyone feels the way a few of you do about the Shiloh.   Just like anything else in life, people have different preferences in every facet of life.    Is that so hard to comprehend and show some tolerance?