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The pound used to be a great source of dogs for people like me but the rules have changed and mention hunting and you are banned from receiving a pound dog, shame cos all the dogs I would take fail the pound temperament test and are PTS within three days of getting to the pound is why.

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I see this too often myself.  Basically the temperament tests that the shelters are giving, dogs today, are designed to weed out any dog  that is not a couch potato.  They are basing whether a dog lives or dies SOLELY upon the generally poor dog training skills, common amongst their potential adopter base. 

For example, TV personalty, Victoria Wells, whom is the HEAD of behavior and training for the ASPCA, has never trained a working dog for competition, never handled a working dog for a  government agency or defense contractor and has NO academic/research background in animal behavior, YET, she is responsible for the deaths of THOUSANDS of good working dogs, that could have been placed in a sport/working environment, as opposed to "pet homes".

The best example of this obsurdity is the "rubber-hand" test: http://www.toledoblade.com/Medical/2014/03/17/Test-a-life-or-death-matter-for-dogs-at-county-shelter.html  (the life-sized, creepy doll, is a just as bad). On a side note, I've been hoping that people will one day use a class action lawsuit aimed at ending the "rubber-hand" test.  But that's another discussion all together.

There are some very good working dogs that are killed everyday because they are failing these new types of temperament testing.  However, what makes the practice unconscionable is that the type of persons whom could handle these shelter dogs, with working potential, are NOT the kind of people that shelters are willing to adopt out to in the first place.  Basically anyone whom could turn these dogs around and get them into a working environment, won't pass the human screening process, without lying to the shelter staff.  The only exception is when people employed by a Law Enforcement agencies are specifically looking for abandoned dogs.  They get a behind the scenes look at the shelter dogs whom will not likely be adopted out to the public, due to miserably failing the "rubber-hand" test.

I'd even make the argument that as much as 1-3% of the dogs that are PTS today, could have been placed with good working homes, IF, the shelters adopted an alternative evaluation standard SPECIFICALLY made for people looking to use these un-adoptable dogs in sport/work.  Just because the shelter doesn't like someone's dog training techniques or activities doesn't mean that killing the dog is better choice, than putting them in a working home where the dog is not a pet first, but instead a working dog first.  In fact, just the other day I was making a donation to a dog shelter and was told that I could not walk though the kennel anymore because of a new policy.  Prior to this, I had walked the kennel many times and helped others go back to take a closer look at a dog I saw, that might be a good fit for their training goals/needs/wants.  On the way out, after making my donation, I then saw an older couple trying to adopt a dog and they were told to look through a photo book and to answer a checklist of questions.  Can shelter employees EVER do selection properly, for people intending to adopt dogs to be used in sport or working environments?  I say no, but dog rescues in the USA seem to think differently and are only going to continue to go further, out into left field, away from potential working/sport dog homes.

As for susies comments about DNA, I agree.  But, the only way this can change in the USA, is if all dog DNA repositories are required to share DNA with one another, for parentage testing, regardless of the breeders or registries consent, AND that taking parentage DNA samples be required at the time of licensing at the local government level.  Without these rules in place, the AKC will continue to hoard its DNA database, hiding behind the excuse that "breeders and the registries need to give permission" to run DNA parentage tests.  I find it unreasonable that I cannot run a DNA parentage test on dogs with DNA profiles stored with AKC/Neogen, unless the listed "American breeder gives permission" to run the test.  BUT at the same time, I can get a parentage DNA test done with the SV on any pairing I choose, regardless of registration, as long as the DNA sampling was completed BEFORE export to the USA, AND on top of that, the person who submitted the original DNA sample to the SV doesn't even own the dog anymore, in a majority of cases.  

Recent Update/Revision:  Think about the following numbers, there are supposedly 2.4 million dogs put down in shelters very year.  What percentage of those dogs had real drive to work?  By my estimates at least 24,000-72,000 (1%-3%, perhaps more, just trying to be conservative).  There are roughly 2 million small, "family owned farms" in the United States. How many of those people running small, "family owned farms", would qualify to get a dog from a "rescue" under the current evaluation criteria?  Few if any would qualify because these dogs would have no fencing on the property, would live mostly outside, act as a flock guards and perhaps help with recreational hunting.

This is what can save "unwanted pets" from dying in shelters, a dedicated effort to pair "working dogs" with "working homes", not "breed specific legislation", coupled with "spay & neuter ordinances". http://www.wndu.com/home/headlines/A-closer-look-at-South-Bends-proposed-pet-ownership-law-247416111.html

a  pedigreed Dutch Shepherd is  FCI  registered breed   DNA  is required in Holland.

www.fci.be/Nomenclature/Standards/223g01-en.pdf

KNPV X  mali.dutch/ shepherd not   but can find the historie   on www.bloedlijnen.nl

Nice post, Momo. I would not be eligible to adopt from many rescues because here in FL I don't have a fenced yard so need to walk my dog on a leash or take her to the golf course or a friend's training field to  allow her to run free. Never mind I have owned dogs since 1958 and have never had one get lost, hit by a car or involved in any other issue that was the result of not controlling my dog. I boarded dogs for years, rehomed many unwanted dogs, titled dogs in OB and finished dogs in the AKC conformation ring, never had an accidental mating. I handled and trained my own dogs and those owned by others. Worked as a vet tech for 15 years and trained under some of the best known vets in the east. Still, it doesn't matter here - no fence, no dog period.

My granddaughter was refused a Pittbull even though she owned that breed for many years. Turned down because she couldn't show proof that her other dogs were vaccinated annually for every canine disease known to man. So she bought one from a breeder and who know what happened to the rescue Pit. He was a special needs dog.