Lift versus Out. - Page 7

I used to be a porn star but i cost the studio too much. Do you any idea how much baby oil it takes to cover a guy my size?? 

I don,t do helper work I,m not good enough and that is my own addmission. I,ve got good helpers that I train with that bring strength presence and abality and the experience to bring it to my dogs as needed whether it is on a sleeve or bite suit or gauntlets under cloth,s. I do know this there are 2 types of helpers trial helpers and training helpers.  It,s not the amount of dogs in your helper books that matter but the types of dogs you have trained. It,s much harder to find a good training helper then a good trial helper. And if your lucky once in a while you can find both in one person then your very lucky.    

Agree with all of  what you wrote about helper's Bob. 

Most of the great training helpers I know have zero desire to be a national level helper. It does nothing for them.

Those who consistently talk about being a national level helper are usually helpers that I stay away from.

@ BZCZ Yes, I agree.  I "have been done". You have won. Not by your  facts,  but by you being persistently wrong. I just can not wait  for your videos. 

Oh! One more try . I DO NOT USE LIFT AS A TRAINING OF ANY THING. OUT OR STRENGTHENING THE GRIP.  I hope that you can grasp at least that information since I said it 3 times. . 

I think I get it now! The lift is used to increase the drive to pursue or chase, to seek engagement of the prey. Not the grip, and not the out!

Okay, to be more clear for the novices like myself, with the proper lift a dog would  be encouraged to release with the purpose to direct the drive to re-engage. The lifting lets a push into the sleeve possible to engage the gag reflex, and at the same time there is an orchestrated, timed chase where the handler pushes the decoy away.

So, while the dog releases, not every release is an "Out". Now it makes sense! :)

Prager,

Your twisting in the wind again.  Your initial post stated

"1/ lift builds bite of a dog.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                a/ by "taking away" the prey from the dog he fights and grips harder and with more intensity.  That is a training technique to increase the intensity and fullness of the grip and not teaching the dog out as some less knowledgeable trainers think."

Now you state

". I DO NOT USE LIFT AS A TRAINING OF ANY THING. OUT OR STRENGTHENING THE GRIP."

I agree all done,  there is no discussion with someone who not only won't discuss the issues but won't even be consistent in what they say.

You twist everything to muddy the water so that you win and everyone else looks bad. 

Have your win, going to go play with my dogs that I actually train and compete with myself.  I'm sure I won't see you out there.

@bzcz,

Do you validate the lift in any way? 

Bee,

I keep saying show me something that works that I can see.

I have only the videos he posted and I'm not a fan of those.  So on those videos, not.  But then show me what it's supposed to look like. 

Or is that as good as it gets?