IPO 2050 .. What Must Change ..Tracking - Page 4

Very good, we will work dogs and try to talk while doing that...as far as not every working dog  being all there, my friend, I can write a book on that very subject, a very thick book too.

People who don,t even participate in the sport saying what it needs to change is Ludacris !

You name it, it,s out there for a dog and handler to choose almost every conceivable form of drill,competition and event is in existence. Schutzhund is a training and test for the working dog or was to  show case it,s drive, ability, courage ,hardness,utility and agility . IPO is the sport aspect of the training, unfortunately it has been reduced to it,s current form with very little stressors and practical application. Todays IPO (in my opinion) show cases more the handlers training ability then the dogs actual heritage for the sport, and for the professional trainer thats great we expect a trainer at that sport level to beable to show case a impeccable routine.

There are many who enjoy the training with there dogs and earn there titles just not at the pinnacle stage for National Competition. There are also ample dogs cross trained in both IPO and  Other work related venues like Search and Rescue, Bomb,drug and police work protection, service and  therapy dogs.  These people don,t train dogs for a living persay but train there dogs to accomplish jobs that benefit society and isn,t that the true meaning of "Working Dogs".

As far as the dogs enjoying it. I know for sure my dogs are always excited to track do obedience and Protection work whether its getting ready for a trial or doing suit work or any related activity. 

 

The people who need to change the program are those actively involved in it not the spectators or bystanders or the nay sayers. If you want it changed then prove you can accomplish something in it other then lip service.     

 

 

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Not sure why folks here are getting their panties in such a bunch over this topic.  Within the continental United States "tracking" per IPO rules IS getting more and more difficult to practice and prepare for.  Not just logistically or physically, but LEGALLY.  In MANY, MANY counties and cities across the United States it is ILLEGAL to have a dog outside of a fenced private property on leashes that are more than 6ft.

There was a recommendation many years ago proposed by some higher ups in the AWDF that the Stöberprüfung (Random Search Test, STp) would be a valid substitute for the Tr/FPr or IPO tracking phase, but it went nowhere for some reason.  The Stöberprüfung title by itself is accepted by FCI, so really this is about governing bodies in the US and Europe deciding to write it in as a valid alternative to tracking in the rules and bylaws.  By now they should be very aware of the artificial and sometime insurmountable limitations imposed on USA practitioners of IPO sports.

Its real simple, some here get, many don't.  Within the USA, IPO is going to be outlawed, piecemeal, but not in an outright fashion that many think.  Basically, if you can't get homeowners insurance if you own a bite work trained dog and you can't train your dog "legally" on anything longer than a 6ft leash, are you really going to be able to effectively train an IPO dog, without taking big financial and/or legal risks?

Stöberprüfung rules link:

http://www.dvgamerica.com/Stober.pdf

 

 Although a different type of nose work would be interesting in the AWD titles and I,d be all for it, I don,t fall into the doom of Schutzhund Training being outlawed. I,ve never heard of a 6 foot leash rule here in my area but i don,t track in parks normally. Yes i can see some especially in Metro area,s having to deal with local law infringement on there ability to have dogs out in public and yes some home owners Insurance has red flagged certain breeds but there are ways around that. 

 

                                                                                                                          Just my opinion

 

 

 

@Bob McKown, yes you can misrepresent facts on your insurance application, but that will not stop them from denying a claim.  As for the 6 foot leash, that applies to city parks, side walks, county public spaces and even state parks.  Look up your local codes and ordinances, you will be unpleasantly surprised.  Suzie has noted the same fact, living in a totally different part of the country. 

Here is a little personal experience of mine.  Local akc club member was cited by a cop looking for easy tickets to fullfill his "quota", so he gave someone working thier dog a ticket because the dog was in a crate and not on a six foot leash.  Heres the kicker, the club has a permit to work the dogs off leash in that area.  The ticket was eventually thrown out by a judge, but the local animal control arbitrator was going to let it stand.

Waste of time for everyone, but the piece meal law was the law in that instance. IPO will be outlawed by individual pieces, not banned outright.  IPO will be "legal", but you wont be able to do any of things needed to practice and prepare for a title legally.  Unless of course you have access to privately owned training grounds with fencing and enough space to lay a 400 meter IPO track.  So as Suzie, said, available to the rich esentially.

Cudos to the people that do it well and don't destroy dogs in the process.

the extreme training from a lay persons perception, and that is the only perception that counts, will do more to end your sport than any fear of killer biting dogs running around.

don't expect actual ipo people to believe it until you have no sport.

If the Schutzhund Gods didn't want us to track our dogs, they wouldn't have made farms.

Those tracks are so embarrassing, you might as well just paint a fluoro line on the ground for the dog to follow. fuk it why bother with the dog a blind man could follow that track.

Isn't it trespassing to track on somebody else's property?  I don't know of any farmers that are keen on having people track dogs through their crops.

Xeph i disagree, the dogs are not tracking. they are learning to put their nose on the ground and follow the line using their eyes.