IPO 2050 .. What Must Change ..Tracking - Page 3

You do IPO because it is hard!  3 separate sports!  

If it was easy, everyone would be doing it.  

It is a handler temperament test MORE than the test for the dog IMO.  

And if done correctly, dogs are easily transferable to real work.  

Also, it is not a spectator sport for the masses.  It requires a knowledgable spectator.  A dog trainer, perhaps.  That is why many feel it is boring.  Because the are NOT dog trainers.

 

 

Peter, if its done right, the dog will score as close to 300 points as possible which is directly opposite of transfering to the real world.
Serious IPO people are not interested in the same things working dog people want, so, lets get that fantasy out of the way.
If its a sport just for trainers, it will die sooner...how many people are trainers after all and how many of them care to watch it?

Again, like Suzie said, its very expensive to do it, its not popular, it has bite work that goes against the pussyfied society we live in....it will die.

And we want more people owning gsd......so breeders can sell more puppies?


And more breeders can sell more puppies and spend more time on their fat breeders asses doing more simpler things training wise.


i can't do ipo but am sure glad SOME breeders do and do it properly so there is proven broodstock i can tap into as required... what's popular and easy, just bring the wall/pallisade and attack out of the blinds and we're good.


oh and can we please add a muzzle attack in a confined space. thanx

My dogs do a pallisade at just around 1.8 meters, sometimes a bit more and I really don't see the big deal.  Add it, keep it an a frame, doesn't matter to me.  I don't think the pallisade is all that difficult over anything else they currently do.  But absolutely bring back an attack out of the blind, and a real one, not this run out sideways crap.  I don't know that a muzzle attack is necessary, but it would be fun.  A lot can be seen just by the attack out of the blind if done correctly.  

a dog doing well in IPO isn't directly opposite to what is transferrable to real life, not by a long shot.  Everyone has their opinions and you hear them all on the net.  You know how many times i've heard Mal's are taking over and we don't want any that have been started in sport because they don't make good working dogs, and yet time and time again I see GSD's and Mal's coming over, specifically selected for having done sport work so they know they just didn't sit in a kennel for 18 months and 3-6 months later they are on the streets working and legitimately so.  There are some that compete with their service dogs and they do well in both venues, earning a living, and having fun.  I fail to see how biddability, control, power, etc aren't transferrable to the real world?  can someone enlighten me?

 

Certainly Zdog...Lets say I am a world class IPO competitor, I want the best and compete with the best, now, when I look for my next dog, what kind of lines do you think I will go after, what kind of drives am I looking for, what kind of temperament do I want for my next world class dog?

If you answer one that has a shit ton of prey and play drives, one that has monster grips, you will be correct. I am after 300 points, I can care less how much real aggression this dog has, how, how much fight drive it brings to the ring, etc...

Dogs with real aggression are very hard to control and I cannot lose points because of control issues. Now, these dogs have been bred this way for how long now...30 years or so? Why would I purposely go out of my way to get involved with something that will not give me what I want?

I am sure you have seen those dogs in training...show them the sleeve 30-40 times, it becomes the reward, the toy, the pacifier and thats the way it should be...for those dogs and that type of training...they after points.

In the real world, working a dog like this can get you killed. In the real world, a dog without real aggression wont stand up to the "bad guy", wont bring him the fight. In the real world it is incredibly easy to get killed if you or your dog screws up, on the field, you just lose points.

I believe that you know all this, but, some part of you is not willing to accept it because of your devotion to your sport, your dedication to it, something, but, its there and its true. Of course I could sit here and go into detail about every single little thing I mentioned, but, no time nor patience.

so there's 20 people in the country that compete as international competitors.  The rest of us really like dogs, really like training and really like trying to get the most out of very balanced dogs.  Then there's another group that likes lip service and words to create a market.

Do you compete?  there are plenty of dogs with real aggression that can be controlled.  They dont' score 300 points and those of us that can recongnize them, love them.  Their handlers love them because the reward is in the training and the bond.  There are plenty of people like me out there and plenty of good balanced dogs.

Yes Zdog, I compete daily, in the real world, I train daily too because I enjoy it and so does my dog. Nope, I do not compete for trophies and ribbons and I am very happy to hear that there are plenty of people like you out there who enjoy your dogs too.

so by competing daily, can your dog bite?  can he use his nose?  can he let out when told and do obedience under distractions?  is he biddable and can perform tasks for you?  If the answer is yes, he too can be a sport dog for trophies and ribbons :)  The traits aren't mutually exclusive

Yes, yes and yes, however, a much more serious dog is needed for work applications then sport, I am sure you are aware of that, yes...plus, trophies and ribbons dont pay the bills.

This can get long and tedious in trying to explain it in detail, maybe some day, we can sit over a cup of coffee and discuss it.

screw coffee, we'd be working dogs :)  I know what you're saying, but those types of dogs are still owned by people doing sports.  Sure there are a lot that aren't, but not every working dog is all there either.