IPO 2050 .. What Must Change ..Tracking - Page 13

another page in the novel. 

There's almost 4 MILLION square miles of land in the US.  Surely one can find a football field plot of land to track on if they wish LOL

I have no issues with comprehension, what you fail to see is that I really don't give a crap to take you all that seriously and every time you come back harder with your excuses.  I don't care if you've really done an FH or if you've come from a family of schutzhund dogs and people.  I don't care if you're the head of the WUSV and SV or your local dog club.  I don't care if you're a card carying SAR member with a permit to carry a 7 foot leash.  I don't really care about any of it :)    I don't care that you're under gestapo rule and can't walk a piece of earth without showing the man your papers.  I don't care if you're afraid of being sued under ever law imaginable.  I really don't care if I"m a little loose with some of your drivel either.

The fact of the matter is, if one wishes to track, they can.  If they'd rather make excuses, well they certainly can do that as well.  You have paragraph after paragraph of ready to use excuses on this thread alone :)

When someone volunteers their services to established organizations with well known reputations, that carry insurance for an individuals dogs to operate and be handled in public, you as a volunteer ARE REQUIRED to do your best to be a presentable member of that organization and get permits and official permission, both as a courtesy and WHEN REQUIRED TO BY LAW. 

"can't walk a piece of earth without showing the man your papers -zdog" - simply will not cut it when an organization is carrying insurance for you and your dog, both during your time and on theirs.  YOU are representing them directly when requested to do tasks on the behalf of the sponsoring organization with your dog and even indrectly when you are not doing tasks in public for them.  If someone "asks for papers" and has legal grounds for doing so, you either give them or resign from volunteering with the organization.  BTW, I'm not talking about simple things like Therapy dog, etc.  There are volunteers all over the USA saving lives with their dogs or providing legal evidence, so "not showing your papers" out of misplaced "tinfoil hat spite", is just damned irresponsible (and crazy sounding to boot).

"I don't care if you're afraid of being sued under ever law imaginable -zdog" - again, if an organization your volunteer for is carrying insurance for you and your dog, it is YOUR DUTY to act in manner that does not make them susceptible to lawsuits or legal action.

Frankly, you sound both rash and irresponsible and I would certainly classify you as a walking liability, from a volunteer perspective, to any organization hoping to request your expertise or receive your assistance. 

awww, thanks for the classification. I have one for you too :)  In the real world most are rather thankful for my time and efforts :)  and the fact remains the same, if you want to track, you can, or you can sit and make excuses.  How about you give us another paragraph about how irresponsible I am and how there just isn't space in a country of millions upon millions of square miles?  maybe it will convince some us we just can't get out and do it anymore LOL
 

 

@zdog you just don't get it.  If its public land, you need a permit and if its private land, you need to get formal permission.  I'm not a fan of nitpicky laws and stupid lawsuits, but they exist and I do my best not to get fined, cited or sued in the process of doing a hobby or volunteer work.  I can rattle off a dozen personally witnessed stories of unreasonable dog related tickets.  Cops want to cite the easy violations, while racking up good revenue numbers for their respective departments.  So unless you're living like Grizzly Adams, its only a matter of time before your numbers up.

In the near future, assuming you are in the USA, I'd predict you are likely to get cited with your dogs for an ordinance that you personally felt you didn't need to follow or pay attention to.  When it happens, PLEASE think of me and this thread, I'm sure in that moment your behind will burn red-hot from the irony of the moment.  Also, you don't have to come back and post the details of the event, the "behind closed doors" irony and your red hot butt cheeks will be satisfaction enough for me, even if I never catch wind of it.

Overview of private vs public lands in the USA:

My last post in this thread :
If there is a will, there is a way. Your AKC club was able to find tracking grounds, so there are tracking grounds. People simply need to care.
Mostly it´s good enough to be polite and ask for permission, otherwise pay a small fee or rent the ground. No big deal - but you have to move yourself and you have to care...
"Counting steps" in IPO - there always is a way to cheat, but if you really think, that this is the common way to teach "tracking", you are totally wrong, and you don´t know what you are talking about.
"FH" - This is a trial made up for tracking specialists, it´s ONE disciplin only, made for the best tracking dogs, IPO is made out of THREE disciplines, not created for tracking specialists, but for the all-around dog, that´s the main reason, why the IPO title is part of the breeding requirements.
As soon as your AKC tracking champions are able to title in tracking, obedience, AND bitework, you may compare their achievements to IPO / Schutzhund.
I really feel sorry, that the IPO clubs in your surrounding didn´t care about you and your dog ( Pedigrees? You only need a registration for trialing. Nobody knew? Doesn´t sound very competent, but seems to be the same as not being able to find tracking grounds...) - but that´s not important, important for you is, that you and your dog have fun.
You seem to feel good in the group you are training now, just stay there. Schutzhund clubs normally don´t want to be the playground for people whose ancestors were involved in Schutzhund decades ago, they are looking for people who want to be part of their group.

I do get it, you're one excuse after another.  Go ahead, get more graphs, get some charts, hit me with all your "facts" to legitimize your excuses.  You almost have me convinced that people not tracking their dogs is a product of your "facts" and not their own excuses LOL  almost,  One more post should do it :)

when I get my citation, come laugh at me, same deal as before, until then you stfu?  deal?

Geez guys how about each to his own, live and let live and all of that jazz.

Yes, VK, live and let live....

There are dozens of different trials out there, even within SV / DVG / DHV - dozens more including AKC trials for the folks living in the States or elsewhere.

SV :
IPO1
IPO2
IPO3
IPO-V
FH1
FH2
IPO-FH
RH1*
RH2*
RH3
AD
BH
APR1
APR2
APR3
FPR1
FPR2
FPR3
UPR1
UPR2
UPR3
SPR1
SPR2
SPR3
STP1
STP2
STP3
Pokalwettkampf
BgH1
BgH2
BgH3
*Bitte RH-Art und Stufe vermerken:

SV Agility:
Wir starten in: Standard (Large) Midi (Medium) Mini (Small) Senioren
Anfänger (A0) A1 A2 A3 Jumping Spiel
Beginnerklasse Klasse 1 Klasse 2 Klasse 3

SV HGH

I´m not even able to know all of these "titles" anymore. and this list still does not include all the trials available for people living in the States ( AKC, Mondio, Ringsport, ... ).
Whoever doesn´t like tracking, or doesn´t have access to tracking fields is able to choose out of that much different forms of trials, that people maybe are overwhelmed and don´t start anything at all...

Sorry, this was a lot....
When I started training dogs there were the SchH trials, a WH trial, and HGH trials.
Almost everything else was "invented" later on for people who want to train something else, or who don´t want to become involved in Schutzhund, no matter out of which reason.
You don´t like tracking? Do something else.
You don´t like bitework? Try someting different.
Everybody who wants to have fun with his/her dog should be able to find the sport he/she likes, no reason to change the rules of IPO.

Still wondering where Momosgarage did find the FH3, but maybe we´ll never know...
 

Thanks for list i am sure there are many more titles as well and then there is all the underground world for guys like me who only want to test and prove their dogs to themselves or a few others with same mind.

so it begs the question why insist IPO has. to change to every individual whim. let the enthusiasts play their games and others play their games..... everyone is happy.



what other problems would y'all like me to solve..... peace in the middle east?