GSDCA-WDA 2012 Financials - Page 6

Momosgarage, in 2010-2011 (and before) there was a great deal of discussion within the WDA Board about the IRS technical status of it's long time office manager.  Independent Contractor or Employee?  For IRS purposes, reporting the Office Manager as an "Independent Contractor" carried benefits for both the WDA and its OM.  Steps were taken to finagle IRS technicalities.  For example, did the Office Manager provide her own equipment?  No, the WDA purchased it.  But then it was somehow "sold back" to the OM at a steeply depreciated price.  I'm guessing that the WDA now officially reports the OM as an Indepent Contractor, rather than an Employee.  I have no expertise in this area.  Inquiring minds might want to speak with Danny Spreitler.

@Mystere, I was reading what USCA stated on thier 990 statement.  I didn't say that USCA does not have volunteers, I said they they claimed to NOT HAVE ANY on thier 990 statement submitted to the IRS.  I also DO SAY they are a 501(c)3 and not a 501(c)7, don't know why you can't seem to read & comprehend what I wrote.  What part of "the WDA and USCA are 501(c)7 organizations", did you NOT understand in my post?  However, to CLARIFY AGAIN, my pint was that USCA claims to NOT have any non-tax deductable "donations" given to the organization AT ANY TIME in 2011.  What that means is if a "member" writes them a check to buy some soda for a trial and does not expect to be reimbursed for that "soda money", USCA needs to report it as a non-tax dedcutable donation in thier 990, doesn't matter if they are a 501(c)3 or 501(c)7.  Pretty simple to read and understand what I wrote above.  Seems like you are attempting to "muddy the waters" on my recounting of what is documented on their IRS documentation.

@gsd2407, the USCA website is saying 4,700 members in the 6th paragraph of thier "Adverstise with USCA Page". Is this USCA's "Facebook Page"?

http://www.germanshepherddog.com/advertisers/

If not, then whose website is this? 

Man, some of you can't read and should be declared illiterate!

 

There is no one man, one vote in the USCA election process .. member clubs elect the delegates who then elect the officers.  Not every vote for a candidate is counted if that vote is in the minority in that voters club.  Similar to the US electoral college state delegate system which is equally antiquated in a time when electronic voting and counting gives better, faster and more accurate results.  Also similar to the Electoral college system, the USCA voting system allows the election of candidates with fewer votes depending on the club sizes.  The GSDCA-WDA has a true one man (or woman) one vote system in which every vote for a candidate is counted and the candidate with the higest vote number wins.  

Momosgarage, in 2010-2011 (and before) there was a great deal of discussion within the WDA Board about the IRS technical status of it's long time office manager.  Independent Contractor or Employee?  For IRS purposes, reporting the Office Manager as an "Independent Contractor" carried benefits for both the WDA and its OM.  Steps were taken to finagle IRS technicalities.  For example, did the Office Manager provide her own equipment?  No, the WDA purchased it.  But then it was somehow "sold back" to the OM at a steeply depreciated price.  I'm guessing that the WDA now officially reports the OM as an Indepent Contractor, rather than an Employee.  I have no expertise in this area.  Inquiring minds might want to speak with Danny Spreitler.

bubbabooboo, is correct on the voting situation and such is reflected in their 990 form submitted to the IRS.  "Dues" paying "Members" are not really members, just "customers" paying a "fee" to use USCA's "services", no different than Costco or Sam's Club or a Gym membership.

@gck, the "contractor" option sounds reasonable enough to me. 

If any USCA members or volunteers (womens auxillary, children's militia, etc.) want to put a pillow case over their heads and burn a cross in my yard .. Engel has the address, phone number and email address correct as written.  One word of advice though .. you are going to need some holes in that pillow case to look out of or you could run into a tree and have a terrible accident like the one that left Engel the way he is .. I assume it was an accident wasn't it????

The electoral college is not antiquated, you just don't understand trying to balance small states, vs large states and population densities and how to balance that out.  You must not understand WHY straight majority is a horrible way to run a country.  Let's just say money and attention would only be spent on areas with people and money :)  

Anyway, UScA's system isn't like that the electoral college in any way.  I still get to vote in an electoral college.  I don't get to vote in UScA.  in the club i was in, the TD voted, nobody else did, it didn't matter.  Another I was in, it ididn't matter, we never sent a delegate.  In this day and age, we shouldn't have to travel a thousand miles to have a vote, but that's a topic for another day.  And today, I don't belong to any club, just a member at large, so I have an even smaller voice than before which was none.

WDA was nice in that regard, but man have they turned into a gigantic mess.  A complete mess.  I feel badly for the good members in that club.  I was one, would have gladly been a member again.  Today?? Not a chance would I give a penny with the leadership they have today.  I do NOT want the WDA to disappear, but they need a change in direction.  Much like UScA has had in the past.

@zdog, schutzhund is an expensive sport, not that much different than golf or tennis in my opinion.  Dog clubs should be run the EXACT same way as Country Clubs are run.  I know there is not as much money floating around in a dog club, but there are so many similarities that dog training folks working together in clubs really should be striving to emualte the gold standard in non-profit sport clubs, which is golf/tennis country clubs.  Some dog clubs have grounds too, just like a golf/tennis club just on a smaller scale.  There are a lot of lawyers in the sport, I wonder why they haven't tried to do such, assuming some are familiar with and are members of golf/tennis country clubs and possibly even owners of property on the course co-op.  In fact, wouldn't that be awsome, a co-op housing or condo community with dog training grounds, with HOA fees covering clubs fees, insurance etc.  Not that I'm a fan of HOA's, but a dog centric one would be a nice change in the status quo.

Momo,  I don't know why you have your panties in a bunch.   I CLEARLY said I do not know why you are reading what you are reading. Not that you were reading it incorrectly. I have no problem with reading comprehension in 4 languages, thank you very much. I also said that the organization s are 501(c)(7) not (3),   and explained why.  The  Code clearly sets out the requirements for (c)(3) status, and USCA and WDA don't make it.