WDA (Working Dog Association) SUING THE GSDCA??????? HUH? - Page 3

The GSDCA decided on the venue, and it was horrible expensive. It seems to me that they had no idea what the WUSV trial even was at the time. No way to recoup that kind of expense on a trial, even if it was the world championship.

 

Having the WUSV in Indianapolis or the midwest would have been more expensive as many Europeans would not have shown up at all for such a venue.  If the GSDCA picked the venue then that was not a bad decision for them and the European visitors and participants  .. just an expensive one.  However the costs were set in stone it seems a long time before Dan Yee and the WDA were handed the controls of the sinking ship and told to bail.  If the WUSV wants to make money for the host country have it in Germany every year.  Second best have the WUSV in a country that borders on Germany when not in Germany as the 60K SV/WUSV members are all you need to fill a stadium.  I am sure there were many more fans and spectators at any of the German regional/state 2013 IPO Championship competitions in Germany than at the WUSV 2013 in the USA.  Point of clarification .. was it the GSDCA-WDA that was formed by the GSDCA in 1975??  I think Mr. Fasano said the USCA was formed in 1975 by the GSDCA but that seems wrong to me??  If the account is true then the GSDCA is parent to both the USCA and the GSDCA-WDA .. how interesting??  So if the GSDCA-WDA or it's members have incurred expenses as a result of pinch hitting for the GSDCA at the WUSV 2013 exactly what are they supposed to do .. beg or sit around and hope the GSDCA reimburses the money??  Dan Yee and the GSDCA-WDA did what was necessary under the conditions on the ground to make the WUSV 2013 happen  ..  there are likely some GSDCA members or co-members of both groups that have money out of pocket for expenses that need their money reimbursed.  The money was spent in pursuit of the GSDCA goal of hosting the WUSV in combination with their Centennial.  Apparetly the GSDCA asked for the WUSV 2013 in 2000 which is well outside the normal planning window for the event.  If Dan Yee and the GSDCA-WDA give a complete accounting but the GSDCA says "we won't pay for this or that" then what??  Either the GSDCA pays the bill for their event in full and reimburses the individuals and the GSDCA-WDA for what they spent to pull off the event for them or a legal challenge is the best recourse as the GSDCA could argue and disallow forever so long as the people out the money are waiting and they can disallow or stall without cost to them.  This is February folks, this should have been resolved long ago and the money made right .. Dan Yee is doing what any good business manager would do and that is collecting a debt as soon as possible.

Excerpt from the GSDCA letter to members

"In November of 1975 the GSDCA and the so-called "biting clubs" met and formed the United Schutzhund Clubs of America (USCA).  

Also in 1975 the GSDCA was invited and was one of the first clubs outside Europe to join the former EUSV (European Union of German Shepherd Dog Clubs), which has since been renamed the WUSV ( World Union of German Shepherd Dog Clubs).  

In October 1982, the GSDCA announced in an article in the GSDCA Review, page 6, the formation of the German Shepherd Dog Club of America- Working Dog Association.  The last sentence in this announcement states "The goal of this organization is to ultimately obtain recognition of the sport of Schutzhund by the American Kennel Club."  The announcement was signed by George W. Collins, the President of the GSDCA.  

After 40 years of lobbying by the GSDCA and others, George's dream came true--the AKC now recognizes working dog titles on AKC pedigrees. 

And for Nance ..

The GSDCA devoted a great deal of time and resources in starting, maintaining and promoting the WDA and its many activities.  Our club has  always considered the WDA a part of the GSDCA, even though it had been separately incorporated.

I said they had no idea over a year ago, Kim.  You were among those disputing that--then.  Interesting. 

The choice of venue probably was because it was GSDCA's choice for its national the week pprior.  

GSDCA did NOT create USCA.  USCA was formed in California by people who were training with a transplanted German, Riedel (?).  They then approached GSDCA.  USCA ended up going it's own way from about 1977, because AKC wanted to pretend that all dogs were Golden Retrievers in varying forms.  

AKC doesn't pretend anything .. they just collect money for nothing but slips of paper.  The breed clubs such as the GSDCA that are members of the AKC and the American public/politicians decide what is worth pretending about dogs in the USA.  Not much different than the SV and the VDH pretend in Germany really.  Happy to hear that the responsibility for bringing the USCA into the GSD world has been lifted from the GSDCA though.  

MYSTERE is correct. Please don't hang the USCA on the heads of the GSDCA.  However the GSDCA DID create the WDA.
It was done so to remove liabilty from the AKC and GSDCA at that time (whatever liability there could be, lol in the sport
of Schutzhund)  Happily the AKC now embraces the sport and the GSDCA is not any longer required to use a group such as
the WDA , if they choose not to. 
  
Now, I have no dog in this fight, I love German Shepherd Dogs, all of them.  We own both Import dogs and American. 
I have friends in both clubs.  So this is especially upsetting that this is going on.   I want to enjoy my dogs, like most
I really don't need the drama.
 
   I did take the time to read the full letter posted by the GSDCA President, which appears on the GSDCA webpage.
 So I don't think they would mind me cut/pasting this part regarding the suit by Dan Yee?  

 ***Of that $25,000 in requests from the WDA, $15,000 of said expenses required receipts and documentation from the WDA, which have not been provided to date despite repeated requests for substantiation. 
The remaining $10,000 of the requests were never pre-approved by the budget committee and in fact Mr. Yee was advised before he incurred these expenses that the GSDCA would not reimburse these expenses.  
The unapproved expenses include  unapproved vehicles rentals, rooms for workers, entertainment and alcoholic beverages.***                              

Ok, I am no business wizard, and certainly not an accountant or lawyer. but...   Someone PLEASE tell my why allegedly the WDA is not providing receipts, AND WHY THEY WENT AHEAD AND SPENT MONEY WINING AND DINING THAT THEY KNEW WOULD NOT BE REIMBURSED , THEY KNEW AND DID IT ANYWAY?????   The same unauthorized charges for which they are now suing?   WHAT?   
Am I the only one really confused here?   

 

I was at Boston, Florence, and Phila, the event was not a badly run event, not as good as Florence, better than Boston. Now as to the finances, unless you are in the GSDCA/WDA I really don't think I or other outsiders have a dog in the fight. But I was with a lot of Europeans and they felt the event was satisfactory.

GSDCA doesn't reinburse for beer.......Can you imagine taking the head of the WUSV out and telling him he has to pay for his own beer........I DON"T THINK SO!

The WUSV World Championships is the property of the WUSV.  They have standards and operating procedures for their event.  It was not up to the GSDCA or the GSDCA-WDA to change those standards.  The helper tryouts is a perfect example.  The tryouts were not done according to WUSV standards and had to be redone to meet the standards at great expense and hardship to some of the helper candidates.  I don't know who dropped the ball or didn't get the memo but I bet there was one from the WUSV detailing how the helper tryouts had to be done.  The host country does not get to dictate terms to the WUSV and Dan Yee and the GSDCA-WDA had to deal directly with the WUSV to get the venue and arrangements up to WUSV standards which sometimes resulted in greater expenses or manpower needed than forecast by the GSDCA, not to mention time.  The GSDCA administration who SOUGHT OUT AND WANTED the WUSV 2013 to go along with their Centennial Celebration of 2013 was not the current one having to pay for it and they sought to limit the losses by imposing spending rules on the GSDCA-WDA but they were not the ones having to satisfy the WUSV requirements for the event as they passed off that job to the GSDCA-WDA.  Dan Yee did what was best for the GSDCA-WDA as that is where his duty lies and he sought to do what was necessary for the WUSV 2013 to be successful.  In the end he could not do the impossible and make everyone happy and the GSDCA got stuck with the bill for an event they volunteered to take on and pay for in the year 2000.  The current GSDCA administration clearly did not want the WUSV 2013 or was not prepared to fully fund it as the GSDCA had promised when they took on the WUSV 2013 years earlier.  The GSDCA-WDA and Dan Yee did a lot of work to pull the event off in support of the GSDCA and the WUSV so I can see that being stuck with the tab for a party that the GSDCA-WDA did not host or ask for is too much to bear for the GSDCA-WDA.  This is February and soon March and if this dispute over who pays for the GSDCA's party is not resolved by now then the courts sound like the correct place to resolve it.  Dan Yee is trying to collect a debt owed to the GSDCA-WDA by the GSDCA clear and simple.  The GSDCA-WDA and Yee did what was necessary to make the event successful and in my book a successful event for the spectators, the competitors and the WUSV was what was required from those running the event.  The GSDCA clearly volunteered and sought to host the WUSV 2013,  an event more complicated and expensive than they wished to manage or pay for as the time of the event approached.  

bubbabooboo   Thank you for your insight.