How do you price you working line puppies? - Page 9

To get back to the original question re the pricing of pups with "nice genetics" I'd like to add some additional info for your use in making a judgement on pricing.

Tarzan the dam's sire is well respected for producing very hard hitting dogs in protection wh/ is the showy stuff that everyone loves to talk about. Obedience and tracking - not quite so good in these areas but no one likes to acknowledge that piece even tho it is supposed to be a 3 part  sport. He has produced several dogs that have competed at the national level and I believe at least one qualified for the worlds a couple years ago.

In addition we need to factor in other things that he produced. The worst imho is extreme aggressiveness towards other dogs ( this is a bitch to live with). In fact one of his sons created a bruha on the 2005 North American podium trying to go after another dog and when corrected by his handler - bit him twice. Thanks but no thanks would be my personal attitude. I believe this dog is also a cyrptoordhid tho  not totally sure on that it may be another son. My understanding is that skin/allergy issues are another problem w/in this line.

Finally there is the hip production record which again is somewhat spotty. Now I'm not one to jump all over someone if their dog produces an animal with HD. Sh*t happens and despite our best efforts it's a crap shoot. Besides which it is ALWAYS a two way street. You have to look to what was brought to the dog.

What concerns me here is the unknown hip status of the bitch especially since a full sister is dysplastic as well as some half siblings.

So I offer you both good and bad. Does it change your opinion on the price?

Note I have some issues w/ statements EK has made on this thread but will be starting another thread to address them since I think it would divert from the original question and there has already been more than enough diversion on this thread.

VkfGSD

I cant believe it took you a year to respond to this thread.  Talk about quick wit!!!!!

Peter, This first appeared on my bulletin list tonight and I saw the Nov 27 and presumed it was today since why else would it be popping up on the current message board. I did not go looking for it or search for it. It was just there on the board so either the db entered the above dates wrong or it has a glitch which caused it to pop up on the current message list.

I haven't read but a couple of the posts above. No time right now, but a few words in hopes of helping:

Try to get at least $700. each. Any less and you run the risk of appealing to floks who won't take care of them, any more and, depending on your proximity to a major population center,  you're liable to end up with half of them still at home, eating like there's no tomorrow and needing a LOT of one-on-one... till ??? Better they are placed in good, loving pet homes at a young age than worrying about $ and working homes. Its hard to find working homes for pups from parents with every title, rating,etc., selling for damned near nothing in hopes they will be trained at all.... Trust me on this one.

SS

First, I agree with Molly.  Second, it is interesting how many people think that they know BETTER then the founder of the breed, who obviously thought titling was important - so how many breeds have you founded recently? 

In my mind if you "don't have the time to title a dog" or drive "2.5 hours to a club" then you have no business breeding "working dogs" as the subject line in this thread indicators are available.  How could someone who has not taken and or is unwilling to spend the time and effort to title their dogs know what they need to make informed decisions about breeding pairs, etc?  And if you breed without hip ratings you are just plain irresponsible to the puppies, the future owners and the breed.  Sorry if you have seen a lot of titled dogs out there that don't appear to make good breeding stock - that doesn't make the whole process useless.  That's like saying that there are bad licensed drivers so driving tests and licensing is a waste of time especailly given that there is an occasional person out there with no formal training who can drive just fine. 

 Do I think that decent dogs can be produced by untitled parents?  Sure, but it's typically due to a case of blind luck.  While there are breeders out there who "buy" their dogs titles or obtain them in shady ways, that does 't mean that the lazy short cutters who won't even make that much effort are going to be anymore successful.  Titling is not the holly grail in that it guarantees anything in the progeny, but it certainly shows a base line with which to start consideration for the dog and says even more about the breeder.  It is a huge red flag to me that someone would take two dogs and throw them together without titling - what is wrong in that that the bitch couldn't be at least titled through a 1?  Given the number of excellent studs out there with PROVEN ability of passing along desirable genes what the hell is anyone doing breeding to a untitled male?  It's not like proven studs are that hard or expensive to breed to, especially when one considers AI.

As a working puppy consumer I wouldn't consider these pups although if there was a real stand out might take one for free to give it a home and this would have to be a REAL standout.  

Otherwise you've just made a huge mess that is going to end up with nothing but misery coming down on someone to clean up.  You've got dogs bred from dogs that aren't likely to produce great pets for the average owner, but they aren't going to appeal to the majority of owners looking for sport dogs.  Police departments are not going to want them until at least a year and that is a lot of care that you're not going to want to provide for 12 months. Then what happens with dogs that aren’t purchased by professional organizations?