How do you price you working line puppies? - Page 2

it all depends on what the buyer wants to pay, for what kind of litter, and what they are looking for. Some might not care if the parents are not titled and not hip rated (adult hip rated). If I were the buyer, I wouldn't pay anything for puppies out of two untitled parents, both of which don't have adult hip ratings. The puppies would be worth 0 to me. In my opinion the dogs shouldn't have been bred until they had been titled and hip rated, and since they have been, the puppies are just pets, not worth much. But as I said - others might not care or might be looking for other criteria such as color, cuteness or breeder guarantee, price or bloodlines. molly

I love people that "prelim" dogs and think those count as good as OFA or A stamps, and talk about how their dogs are "ready" for titles, but aren't titled yet...but "easily" could be because "everyone's told me so".....rubbish. Until your dogs have hips and elbow done, titles, and breed surveys, you shouldn't be breeding. Period. That's my opinion. (And a lot more like me.) One person found it "depressing" to hear their backyard operation wasn't gonna make them rich quick enough. There are simply too many people breeding for money and cutting corners. You breed and breed and water down the German Shepherd to line your pockets with money from taking the easy route. It's disgusting. Breeders like you are part of the problem and not part of the solution....

Mikee Would have been best to do your homework before breeding. Myself I think you at best can sell as pet quality. Do you understand what a standard warranty entails? The pups have to be two before you can get an OFA certificiateon the hips and so on. Myself upon viewing the pups and parents might pay $300.00 to $500.00 tops. The price of the pups does not make them bette or worse but the genetics does. People are willing to pay more for proven traits that the parents have and the breeders charges more not only for the quality but they are willing to stand behind their warranty for several years. It costs them alot of money to do this and not go broke.

Mrs buffy you could of just addressed me personally I am not going to break down and cry because of your OPINION. it is just that.. an opinion My dogs will be OFA and SV rated before breeding takes place was not planning on breeding before then. I was stating that I have taken the extra measures to ensure I was not wasting 2 years on two dogs for bad hips scores. If you read OFA site you will learn that they state hips done after 12 months have a high % rate of staying good or excellent. As far as cutting corners I spent money on prelimbes and DNA tested all my dogs without AKC or SV telling me too. I just spent over 3000.00 on my vet bill in the last two months Please I spend more on my dogs then I will ever see in return. AND I don't breed the hell out of my dogs they are lucky if they see two litters and only have one a year if that! Not looking to make money off of my dogs I am a graphic design/web design by CAREER! dog money pays for trails and vet bills. As far as ready for titles YES they are! just shows are not easy to find and have to wait until they come around. I have not been training for the last year for the hell of it. I did not buy top dogs to "water down" the bred Please view pedigrees. My dogs are working dogs and I don't need a title to prove that. I do drug searches S&R and real life protection work were the dog is actually HIT" and the dog will bite even after the sleeve is tossed. Hell they will bite hidden and leg or shoulder or ... So please don't tell me I am water down the bred. SchH "was" a way to test dog but IS now a sport for the dogs.

Good Point Ekvon Many excellent working dogs do not have show or schutzhund titles. My line came from a Sire who was a Police K9 and the dam was a drug dog for a private business. No titles.

OH by the way a friend just pointed out to me that I sound like I have a litter on the ground right now FACT: My bitch comes in to heat until early next year! she is turn two at the end of this month. So My point was I do have "titles" and wanted to see if they were only worth 500.00.

EK,your post sounded as if these were pups on the ground....and Desert, I agree there are many good service dogs that don't have titles, and don't need them to be good service dogs. But we were talking about breeding and lots of good service dogs, aren't breed suitable for one reason or another. Some are. My point is just that some people try and shortcut the work and time it takes to insure our best chances of successful breeding....all of these steps give us the chance as a breeder to evaluate the overall good and bad points and make a decision to breed or not to breed.

Mikee, To your original ? Find super homes for them, 500.00 or 1,000.00 whatever price you get to cover your cost is entirely your business !!! First and foremost find them great homes, try to cover your costs involved, anything after that is just funds you can put back into your dogs. Best of Luck to you.

i have a question.... why so much emphasis on titles? when i started schtuzhund i thought a dog w/ a sch. 3 was the greatest thing. but i have seen, many dogs that are absolute SH*T. Ive seen dogs that would not engage on the attack out of the blind,would come off the sleeve, could not handle the stick hits, had not drive at all in OB. And yet after a few tries the dog gets titled. "Does not SH*T called by any other name still smell like SH*T" If a dog is SH*T when its 8wks, 6 mo, 2yr, it still SH*T when you put sch1 after its name. i can understand that there is no way for the average person to tell how good a dog is, but those that have been around awhile and claim to be very experienced should be able to see a dog doing proction work at a PSA club and say WOW... that's nice. Titles are a lot like college degree's. if you ask who went to college, some guy who graduated from the 2 yr community college after 6 yrs will raise his hand, and a girl who went to Harvard and then law school at Yale will raise her hand. they both went to college but who is the better student. The only people that are DEPEDANT on titles to breed are those that cant see for themselves what a dog is, and those that need them for thier sales pitch. there is nothing wrong w/ either. But if Troll, Mink, Orry, etc... spent their whole life tied to a tree, or chasing geese on a some fancy estate they would have still produced. As for the price of any givne litter, some here between $200 - $3000 depending on who you are selling to. If you give me any puppy from any litter i can sell it in 1 week in the newspaper for $200 or give me 3 months and ill sell it for $3000. the difference being the marketing, one is a newspaper ad, the other ill put up a really cool website and great info about the dogs, and about me. and i promise you i can convince some one to pay me $3000. And thats all it is, can you justify your price.

But if Troll, Mink, Orry, etc... spent their whole life tied to a tree, or chasing geese on a some fancy estate they would have still produced Yes so true and so many people wouldn't have seen the potential and used them for stud. What a diservice that woul dhave been. I agree titles don't mean much these days. There are plenty of Sch1 or untitled dogs who I would rather have, rather than a lot of the Sch3 crappers running around. I don't rank dogs by title anymore. I wanna see them work, thats what tells you what you need to know. Sad thing is many of the Sch3's have $ and good training behind them and they still suck.