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Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 16 August 2012 - 23:08

I agree with all but feeding him adult food; some are VERY high in calcium, and synthetic calcium at that. If the OP won't/can't feed raw, I would put him on a large breed puppy food and NOT supplement at all. 

The feet turning out can be a sign of elbow problems, as well. Has he ever fallen or jumped off of something high? What doesn't seem like a big deal can sometimes bruise growth plates in their "wrists" and cause one to fuse; you then have one bone growing in each leg and one not growing, causing the feet to turn outward. I had a puppy like this about 5 years ago; she did something when I wasn't looking, started limping a little, not much, and her feet started to turn like this at this exact age. She needed major surgery but is good as new today. IF this could be the case with this puppy, it's important to fix this growth pattern ASAP. I would have his legs xrayed from elbows down- the problem starts low, but shows itself later as "elbow dysplasia."

 http://cal.vet.upenn.edu/projects/saortho/chapter_41/41mast.htm

EuroShepherd

by EuroShepherd on 17 August 2012 - 00:08


Thats one of the problems with dog food, isn't it Jenni?  What one brand/formula has, another hasn't.  So many friggin choices, one dog food has one thing wrong with it and another dog food has a different thing wrong with it.   Back when I was feeding kibble, I changed brands/formulas often.  EVO, Solid Gold, Diamond, Wysong, TOTW, Merricks, Before Grain, Bil-Jac, etc.  I just couldn't be completely satisfied with any of them.  

I know a lot of people feel that going raw is intimidating, too time consuming or whatever.  But for me, now after having done it for awhile I find it sooooo much simpler than trying to choose a dry kibble! 

Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 17 August 2012 - 00:08

I agree completely. But without shopping WITH the person, the only way I can think of to be "safe"(r) is to do the large breed thing w/kibble. 

by joanro on 17 August 2012 - 00:08

Jenni, look at the wrist joint, it looks like extra bony as does the stifle, elbow and inside left hock. My sister had a great Dane that she raised with vit sup per vet instructions, and the dog developed epiphysitis. It was pitiful.

by beetree on 17 August 2012 - 01:08

I'm not an expert and that's why I didn't mention it before, but Joan, you said it, I noticed it, too.  So it seems there is something to see. And it falls into "not normal".  The path of least resistance would echo Jenni's approach, IMHO.

by joanro on 17 August 2012 - 01:08

Epiphysitis can be treated and recover from it. Diet is of course the key. It's the cause and " cure".

by jayhelios on 17 August 2012 - 02:08

Thanks all. Yes, there are few similar posts from india,i saw. The reasons may be hot climate and lack of proper knowledge about gsd. My trainer always kept advising that i should give the pup lots of supplements. And may be the overdose has done the damage. Now a vet has suggested calcium and vitamin d3 injections. Should i go with that? I am feeding him large breed puppy food and also some b12 and phosphorous supplements. I give him walks of about 1.5 km twice a day on soiled ground which is not very hard.. What else should i do?

Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 17 August 2012 - 03:08

STOP the phosphorus supplements! In fact, stop everything except normal exercise and food and hope that too much damage hasn't already occurred. By throwing the balance of minerals off, you change the growth patterns and you have bones growing at different paces than nature designed. Too much calcium or phosphorus can be VERY detrimental to a large breed puppy. I'd have him xrayed *IF* you can find a qualified orthopedic vet where you are and see what his various growth plates look like at this stage. 

As far as the bones, I don't know much about that type GSD development and what is normal for showlines. I have had pups w/good bone look very "bony" in that region and they have grown up just perfectly, so I can't say definitively whether it's normal or not. I am leaning toward abnormal, but not gonna play internet vet on that one;-).  I will say that mine were not that big before that look went away, but again, I know nothing of normal vs. abnormal development of angulated, black and red dogs. 

This link explains a little about how various vitamins/minerals play a role in skeletal development:
https://www.msu.edu/~silvar/hips.htm

by joanro on 17 August 2012 - 03:08

Get a new vet. I would discontinue all supplements. No forced exercise.

by jayhelios on 17 August 2012 - 03:08

Thanks a lot jenni and joanro. I have decided to stop all supplements at once and i am taking him to x— ray nextweek. Its not possible in my city so i have to wait. Thanks again.





 


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