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by Jeff Oehlsen on 31 January 2011 - 17:01
Post the pedigree, and a link to the breeder. Instead of coming on here and asking, ask them why they bred so close. They could have good reason for this, or they could have had an accident.
If the dogs are healthy genetically, and very nice dogs to begin with, then you will get a nice dog. Many people will run from something that they do not understand. That is what seperates a lot of people.
You could be running from a very very nice dog. I would like to see those links. Please post them. I am curious to see if the guy has a plan or not.
If the dogs are healthy genetically, and very nice dogs to begin with, then you will get a nice dog. Many people will run from something that they do not understand. That is what seperates a lot of people.
You could be running from a very very nice dog. I would like to see those links. Please post them. I am curious to see if the guy has a plan or not.
by Ron Hudson on 31 January 2011 - 18:01
The more I read these posts the more apparent it becomes that a lot of people here just don't know what the hell they're talking about. Now we're into the question whether or not one should breed a father to a daughter...
What's next?
What's next?
by AusDerPosconsiiZwinger on 31 January 2011 - 19:01
I'm not wanting to breed father and daughter for I don't know about it, even if I know about it I wouldn't. My purpose for posting on here is to find answers to my questions not something rediculous.
If you don't have the answer to it and dont like what I've posted then why post? IT doesnt answer the question.
If you dont know something you should ask, thats why I posted this thread up for me to gather more info.
If you don't have the answer to it and dont like what I've posted then why post? IT doesnt answer the question.
If you dont know something you should ask, thats why I posted this thread up for me to gather more info.
by AusDerPosconsiiZwinger on 31 January 2011 - 20:01
BTW I dont post to cause trouble, I Thank You for posting but I am a noobie and I don't know.
by Skie on 31 January 2011 - 21:01
Look at some of the past threads on inbreeding, there are reasons why people do this, a lot of hunting dog breeders have tightly inbred dogs, you can fix problems in your line by using inbreeding..for some reason most of the GSD community thinks its a sin.
by goodwink on 31 January 2011 - 21:01
In the south we have a saying which states..."his family tree don't branch".....and trust me...it is NOT a compliment!!!!!
lol.....
by Mindhunt on 01 February 2011 - 00:02
Yup, we too say "all trunk, no branches". Genetics being what it is, there is really no genetically sound reason to breed that closely.
by Jeff Oehlsen on 01 February 2011 - 06:02
Quote: there is really no genetically sound reason to breed that closely.
Sure there is. THere is no blood test to check for a lot of things that are recessive. Many people bla bla bla bla about "improving the breed" but actually go out of their way to avoid finding out what recessives may be in the line.
Inbreeding like this "could" produce problems, but where people seem to be clueless, the actual breeding did not create those problems, they were already there. All it did was cause some to pop up.
If you have a dog that you really think is all that, and would like to base your line of dogs on it, this is one way to find out if there are a lot of bad recessives you would be weeding through.
It would be great if there was a DNA test that you could send in and they could tell you all the recessive genes that are there, and even better if they could tell you their probability of occurrence as well.
Some dogs don't have much in the way of negative recessives, and you have a litter and no gigantic genetic monsters show up. Imagine that.
Too many people think that breeding is all about saving every little life and bla bla bla. It is easy to point out the naysayers, they do not breeed, they just bitch about "improving" the breed.
No one is asking anyone to breed like this non stop, no one really knows what the deal is with this person, as they are not answering the question I put up earlier.
No one wants to sell or give a pup that has a bad recessive gene in it, they want them all to be healthy. So they skirt around the issue by outcrossing. For me it is better to man up and see what is there and deal with it that way.
Sure there is. THere is no blood test to check for a lot of things that are recessive. Many people bla bla bla bla about "improving the breed" but actually go out of their way to avoid finding out what recessives may be in the line.
Inbreeding like this "could" produce problems, but where people seem to be clueless, the actual breeding did not create those problems, they were already there. All it did was cause some to pop up.
If you have a dog that you really think is all that, and would like to base your line of dogs on it, this is one way to find out if there are a lot of bad recessives you would be weeding through.
It would be great if there was a DNA test that you could send in and they could tell you all the recessive genes that are there, and even better if they could tell you their probability of occurrence as well.
Some dogs don't have much in the way of negative recessives, and you have a litter and no gigantic genetic monsters show up. Imagine that.
Too many people think that breeding is all about saving every little life and bla bla bla. It is easy to point out the naysayers, they do not breeed, they just bitch about "improving" the breed.
No one is asking anyone to breed like this non stop, no one really knows what the deal is with this person, as they are not answering the question I put up earlier.
No one wants to sell or give a pup that has a bad recessive gene in it, they want them all to be healthy. So they skirt around the issue by outcrossing. For me it is better to man up and see what is there and deal with it that way.
by Rik on 02 February 2011 - 07:02
Jeff, from reading your posts, you are very obviously intent to breed dogs for your purpose and goal only.
And also, it does not seem that goal is to cash checks, but to produce a dog that meets your standards only. I do think this is the highest level of breeding.
Dream your own dreams and build your own mouse trap. I wish you the best and hope you are successful. If so, widen the path to your door.
We do not know the reasons of the breeder in the OP for doing this breeding. Maybe they have decades of experience with this line and know the risks. Maybe they are novice and this is the "cheapest" breeding they can do and sell pups.
The OP really does need to do us all a favor and post a link to this breeding.
Rik
And also, it does not seem that goal is to cash checks, but to produce a dog that meets your standards only. I do think this is the highest level of breeding.
Dream your own dreams and build your own mouse trap. I wish you the best and hope you are successful. If so, widen the path to your door.
We do not know the reasons of the breeder in the OP for doing this breeding. Maybe they have decades of experience with this line and know the risks. Maybe they are novice and this is the "cheapest" breeding they can do and sell pups.
The OP really does need to do us all a favor and post a link to this breeding.
Rik
by Mindhunt on 03 February 2011 - 06:02
Jeff, most vets and geneticists I talk to say there is no sound reason to inbreed that close unless it is in a lab for research reasons and even then, most of them are against it even if it is with "lesser animals" like rats or mice (their label not mine). What do you do with the pups that end up with heritable diseases that impact quality of life after you do a "test" breed? There is no sound reason to risk strengthening negative heritable diseases just to try to get a good fix on desired genetic traits.
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