Culling pups from the litter - Page 10

 Excellent post Zdog.  We all do things for a reason.  As breeders we evolve and do things differently than when we started.  In the old days we all fed biscuit and ground beef.  Now there are a zillion foods on the market.  We trained differently.  Kick and stick was the method no one trained in drive.  I never culled (killed) but after a german import litter with Megaesophagus I have changed my mind drastically on what to do with pups.  Learning is the most important part about breeding dogs.
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great post zdog

imo spaying and neutering at 9 weeks is far more cruel than
simply culling
i often wanted to ask this on here
if you really want an offspring of a dog you own 
would it be cruel to breed that animal and select
one pup to keep and eliminate the rest?
other than personaly not being able to kill an entire litter
is this really that unethical?

some may not want to worry about the lives of any pups
they didnt keep.
 
fire away

when I say, one needs a little help, I am talking about large litters, where labor has been long and the last 1/2 being born are full of fliud.  if the pup is dead, I will not try to resusitate like I have seen some do.  if the pup just fails to thrive, I won't try to save it, but if a pup has a will to live (and you can tell which ones) but keeps getting pushed away from the nipple by other pups, then I will step in and make sure it is fed, whether that is by letting it nurse away from the other pups, or supplementing the litter with goats milk..

"...would it be cruel to breed that animal and select
one pup to keep and eliminate the rest?"

Buckeye, in my view, yes, it is a callous waste of life. Ethically wrong and totally selfish. Doable, apparently. Right? Hell NO.

Callous waste of life, ethically wrong, totally selfish, and absolutely ILLEGAL to kill healthy animals in many states.  Please don't make it sound like killing a healthy litter is a choice that breeders should make so callously and without thought as sounds like you would.

 Brynjulf, what do "I feel" is wrong w/early spay and neuter? Is that a serious question or are you asking me to defend my position re: the vets? There are literally hundreds of articles on studies proving how detrimental that is to the dogs. I don't want to assume you're ignorant of the effects, so that's why I'm asking what your question was.

I would think anyone even daring to breed any animal would be well-versed in basic healthcare procedures and the associated risks/benefits, so I don't want to go posting articles and insult you. 

I have to agree w/Buckeye on the early spaying and neutering. I think is way up there in terms of cruelty. Even most humane societies, as behind as they are, have abandoned the practice due to the dangers. Do vets not have to take a hippocratic oath? Do no harm? Or did they forget that part?!

If it turns out you're serious, Brynjulf, I will gladly post articles.

To answer your question, Buckeye, I don't think it is ever right to create animals so nonchalantly that you think it's ok to kill the ones you don't want. They did not occur naturally; YOU created them. Barring something wrong with them, you don't have the right, IMO, to now kill them. I think if everyone thought long and hard about what they were breeding and why, we wouldn't have so many reasons to cull. 

i dont breed or ever plan to,i do however see nothing wrong
with breeding for the soul purpose of keeping your pick
of the offspring.
if you humanely destroy the others.
i definately dont think the vet humanley does it
i think some times people often are influenced by religion
as to thinking it is moraly wrong or unethical.
i would say it is much more unethicaln to breed hundreds of dfogs
per year for money than to breed a favorite pet and only keep one.
like i said some may not want to worry about a pup they bred and sold
or gave away.it is better culled than abused.

Sorry, I can't accept your argument at all. I don't think there is any justification for killing healthy puppies one has purposely bred. Find them a home. You can't justify one selfish action with another. If you know you are going to kill "excess" puppies you shouldn't breed.

how would you get an offspring from that creature?

Callous waste of life, ethically wrong, totally selfish, and absolutely ILLEGAL to kill healthy animals in many states.

As long as it's done humanely, I doubt it's illegal in any state.  I don't know of a single state that doesn't have animal shelters who put down healthy animals on a regular basis.  Considering many are government run, if it was illegal for them to be euthanizing animals, they wouldn't be doing it.