Dr Raiser - Page 4

Are people suggesting that Dr. Raiser would be inconsistent, and harder on the show line dogs, just to prove a point?

"What would you guy's do if you had these types of dog's and had to test under such conditions?" Cicel, I'd gradually work toward that goal, but not everybody is going to have the hardest dog in the world. If it happened today, it would be a challenge for my dogs, but if that's the kind of conditions that I would have to test under, I'd like to train each of them to their potential, and keep using the OVERALL best dog for my breeding program. It's the total picture that I'm looking for i.e, temperament, drive, structure.

I'm guessing that if Dr. Raiser did the helper work at the BSZS that he would apply the same level of pressure that the dogs in the BSP receive. I suspect that there are some who know this, or at least fear it, and oppose Dr. Raiser for this reason. JMHO.

Hundguy, here we go again...I made objective comments and you accuse me of tooting my own horn. I spoke in generalizations not in specifics. Let's keep the discussing on track and skip the rude personal attacks.

There's a lot of speculation regarding what Dr. Raiser wants to do. He's an excellent trainer and has the expertise in this venue. Does anyone know what he actually proposes? If in fact, he wants to infuse the Malinoia breed into the GSD, what evidence is there that this would actually bring in more fighing drive? I can think of other outcomes should this actually brought into the GSD. The FCI countries would automatically put a ban on accepting registration of GSD from such breeding. So...With this in mind, surely, Dr. Raiser isn't advoating creating a mixed breed. Since speculation about this has surfacing....If this is actually a desirable outcome, then perhaps those interested in combining or mixing breeds should work to create a new breed, Malsheps or ShepMalinois. In order to do this, it would require dedicated people to establish their own breed seperate from GSD or Malinois. The would have to establish consistency in breeding to get recognition from the FCI.

(rikkismom): I have to agree that people would have to be worried about him putting real pressure on the dogs @ the BSZS!!!!! (joanna):::( If in fact, he wants to infuse the Malinoia breed into the GSD, what evidence is there that this would actually bring in more fighting drive? I can think of other outcomes should this actually brought into the GSD. The FCI countries would automatically put a ban on accepting registration of GSD from such breeding. So...With this in mind, surely, Dr. Raiser isn't advocating creating a mixed breed.)::: Here is what he said that I think have got a few of us confused: ""I couldn't find it I will read the speech and find what they are referring to."" I do know he referred to the intro of new blood and wanting a sperm bank to widen the genetics available to them. If he implied cross breeding it was most likely for health reasons not fight drive or drive I think we still have plenty of this in the work blood. :-)

I read that Dr. Raiser was thinking about a malinois x GSD cross. I thought he was referring to maybe for his own personal use. I did not read into this that he was proposing that we allow widespread crossing of malinois into the GSD genepool. What did others read that suggested such a thing? I don't think there is any chance of widespread crossing of GSDs and malinois in the GSD genepool any time soon. I think it would be widely opposed on many sides, working and show. IMO, we should not oppose Dr. Raiser as Breed Warden simply because he thinks out loud about breeding practices that are commonly practiced in other venues. Indeed, I think part of the reason for the opposition is a lack of understanding of what it might mean. It does not mean that one is proposing to create a new breed of say, malisheps. It is not uncommon in some pure breed livestock breeding to mix breeds. It is done with restrictions. After breeding the mixed breed F1 generation offspring back into the pure breed genepool for 3-4? generations...the resulting animals have the "other breed" diluted down to 1/16 or 1/32 and are considered "pure breed" again. These crossings are done to infuse hybrid vigor (heterosis) and/or to capture certain desirable traits. If one were to do something like this in GSDs, I think the main goal would be hybrid vigor, to undo some of the adverse health effects of inbreeding depression in the breed. I believe this is allowed in some pure dog breeds as well.

Cecil, you have an impressive background for an American sport's friend. Congradulations, it's not easy qualifying for the BSP or competing in Auscheidung in Germany. That's quite an accomplishment! The club and training atomsphere in America is not what it use to be. It seises to be fun when toxic talk monipolizes the training field.

Hi Joanna, Thanks for the compliment. It is funny that even with the experience that I have, I am just a beginner. There is so much to learn and you can only do it by experiment and being honest with the outcome. Hard work and not giving up despite all those who try to sink you, is the key. My goal, despite lack of time is taking my own breeding to the Worlds. Very few breeders do this and it, to me, proves one's commitment to what he is doing. Not saying that breeders who do not do this are not committed. One of my best friends and roommate during my time overseas, has competed so many times at the BSP and still asked me often during training; "Marco, do you feel sometimes like you have no idea what you are doing?" My answer was, yes. We just cracked up, as many people relied on us for help! Besides, he was a teaching helper(and a famous breeder) in our region and I was asked several times. I think the problem we have in this country is the lack of vision, or creativity, as Helmut calls it. And, as far as I am concerned, even though the SV's trouble is a very interesting topic, we need to concentrate on our breeding program here in the US. I think there are several show kennels that have done very well on the international scene. Respect! This is not easy to do. What I don't see, is the working breeders producing dogs for our teem or for export (I am sure there are exceptions). Sure, they will come up with all the excuses in the book, and even try to blame it on the show people. I don't buy it for a second. With all of our money, we have bought all the best dogs form Europe but have nothing to show for it. This might cause some heat, but I think it is a mentality problem. Other countries like Japan, are selling dogs back to Belgium. Helmut mentioned a few other countries that are breeding good dogs, but I don't think the US was one of them. With the resources we have, we should be in a much better situation. Not to bore you, but this is a passion topic for me, and I can go off on a tangent. I will stop here. MO

Your valuable and informed input was a pleasure to read Dr. Raiser. Thank you. Simon.