2009 USA Nationals - Page 11

and here we go....just as I had predicted.....whew...some will never learn!

ron

Oh Goodie,

 PETA Pal, 

I am an animal lover. I must say though that a high drive working animal such as these needs basic and appropriate corrections from time to time. Nothing like named above, but a firm correction (prong collar etc.) does not hurt the dog, but can keep it controlled and keep you in the leader status. 

If you want to help the German Shepherd breed, how about shutting down a puppy mill instead of arguing with folks who spend hours and hours with their dogs working as a team. 

Before you pass judgement, spend a little time doing research in the field (trial etc), not behind your Dell. 

Isn't there a Tofu pattie, or a Gardenburger calling your name somewhere?

I sure did know it when my Dad choked the shit out of me for being stupid, or showing lack of respect for a elder or parent or maybe it was the 3 inch wide doubled leater strap that cracked my ass. My father loved me and I him and he did believe in corporal punishment spare the rod and spoil the child has a place in all facits of life.

  

blkred
Well Put, Most of us love our Dogs but i have said this often enough, There is a huge difference to owning a very high driven German Shepherd Dog and training it in the sport of Schutzund, where obedience is everything, When a dog is really driven if it is not in full control then it can be a bad thing,
If a handler is not in charge of the animal then that same animal will take full advantage of that fact, Any training of such a dog has to be firm but fair, if the said dog is not responding then a firm correction is needed,but it must be given immediately the dog does wrong not 5 seconds after, at the very time it does it, correction, The Dog then thinks Whoa i did that wrong, because they soon forget what they did
Now the point i am getting at is this if you have the same Dog who lives and lays about most of the day in the house and goes for a walk then back home to lay about that same dog will not show the same character as it would on the working field simply because it is not subjected to do so, and the handler owner thinks what a sweet good natured well behaved dog i have
Train it and teach it to a high degree of Obed and without the time of correction that will go along with it and see how nice the dog is then that owner will be in for a big surprise
My Pup Izzy is a very high driven Pup at the moment she is being trained on a leather collar, but now this weekend she will be 6 months old, The time will come when i will need the aid of a stronger collar a pinch collar to be precise, so that when i need to i can give her a correction she will think about, But on the other hand you cannot train any dog by force and still finish up with a happy stable minded Dog,
For me firm corrections when they do wrong Treats and a Cuddle when they do right and for me i hope i give her more Cuddles than corrections but i know that they will be given
And the whole point of it is you have a happy Obed Dog who will look to you knowing you treat it fair,
A correction to a dog is no different to when i was a kid if i did wrong i was given a smack, if i did right i was given a treat, I think it did me no harm and i think i have done my parents proud, not so much as what i have achieved in life financially but what i have actually done with my life, and so it is the same when training a Dog corrections plus rewards make for a good stable happy dog
Steve1

I'm sure PETApal knows what's what.  Maybe he or she wouldn't have so much ammo if some of you would take a whack at people when they're being too hard on their dogs. Maybe some need glasses...or maybe some need to be desensitized from their shutzhund-god-junkie vision.

I watched ALL the tapes of the aforementioned dog the other night.  Forgot his 'classy' name.  Also....another dog, named Egon. I'm not about to listen to gossip and comment on something I haven't seen......so thanks to MaliGirl I can comment on something I have seen.....the tapes.  My take (as a pet person) is as follows-----Man hovers over dogs.....even scrutinizes, looking down from front to tail when dog sits.  Hovers.  Like dog, felt intimidation.  Also...what's up with the dogs head on the ground?  Never saw that one before......but, I'm not into schutzhund.  Is that the norm?  I don't like it.

LMH - you see what is right in front of you.  Fear, intimidation, PRESSURE.  It's what the judge also sees - and should score accordingly.

Here is a video to compare.  This is the WINNER of the WUSV this year.  This dog is correct, and happy.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXNfqs62wQ4

Molly

Petapal, First, you are comparing apples and oranges with your multiple references to POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND POLICE DOGS. Your comparison of police vs schutzhund is FALLACIOUS. Period. 

   This incident with the McNulty's happened how many YEARS ago? ARE they even still USA members?
   The proper method to address such conduct is to file Board of Inquiry (BOI) charges against the USA member involved. USA, via BOI, takes such conduct very seriously. Please review the USA bylaws for USA's stand on "HUMANE" training methods. Yes, members have been disciplined. In fact, the charges concerning treatment of a dog were most recently filed by the USA president against a USA member. BUT, members with the information MUST file the charges. Simply "sending a letter" is not the proper procedure. 

   I give you credit--your screen-name said it all, so we knew that you were here, skulking about. Maybe you have the guts to actually identify yourself? Wouldn't your energies be better spent addressing puppy mills, research labs, or dog-fighting activities, rather than monitoring an international dog forum? Or, are you just a PETA-wannabe who just sits at a computer all day, "spying"? Who are you?

 Different strokes for different folks.

I do think the dogs name is AWESOME though. Hustler Dreadlocks Hater Proof, hilarious. Quit being a HATER folks.