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by MaggieMae on 02 October 2009 - 16:10
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by Held on 02 October 2009 - 16:10
Schmalzk9,finally someone who understand nerves and can give examples instead of just making a comment.This is a great dog look at the vedio and you will see this is atrue Malinois very quick to the attacking hand and then look at his tail wagging through out the attack the dog is totally enjoying himself.No stress what so ever.Awesome have a nice one.
by Vikram on 02 October 2009 - 17:10
this dog has shown the right courage and civil drive. It has learn to move from prey ->defense> back to prey. Which is the ultimate of the protection training goals. Its the stupid handler and the helper who have no clue about the type of dog they are dealing with.
cheers
cheers
by Red Sable on 02 October 2009 - 17:10
I guess that depends on what you call good conformation Maggie. Many showlines have worse conformation than the workinglines and they are not pretty. They have been bred to someones whim of what a GSD should look like.
Google what the older dogs, 60's and 70's looked like, then look at todays. You'll see that they have much better conformation, very close to that of the workinglines. Mind you, some workinglines have poor conformation too, and are going the way of the showline. There are good examples in both lines, but just because it is a showline and bred to supposedly the standard doesn't mean squat.
Google what the older dogs, 60's and 70's looked like, then look at todays. You'll see that they have much better conformation, very close to that of the workinglines. Mind you, some workinglines have poor conformation too, and are going the way of the showline. There are good examples in both lines, but just because it is a showline and bred to supposedly the standard doesn't mean squat.
by VonIsengard on 02 October 2009 - 17:10
"However, a Show Line is not only Beautiful, but CAN perform the tasks in Schutzhund"
70-70-80 on a home field and crapping out at a Sieger show is not performance. Now I am "show person" and I will still tell you much of the work you see at Sieger Shows is not good. I have argued and argued and argued in defense of showline dogs, because I do believe there are excellent ones out there who receive significantly less training than a working line enthusiast gives their dogs. I do believe many of them are very, very capable of doing the work, but with every poor specimen being gifted along by the judges, the working quality of showline dogs continues into a downward spiral.
Also, beauty is in the eye of the beholder- while so many showline dogs are stunning to look at, plenty others have weak fronts and rears, too much angulation, and roached toplines. I've seen plenty of working line dogs who are utterly correct, breathtaking in type that many showline dogs would hard pressed to hold a candle to. So there goes your theory of working line dogs not being "able to even minimally meet the Conformation Standards of the Show Line folks. " You are wrong, sorry. If I am not mistaken, didn't a V rated working line male beat this years VA2 (in Chicago) at a regional event not a week prior?
by Two Moons on 02 October 2009 - 17:10
I'm sorry was that suposed to be impressive?
I liked the fact that the dog went for the other arm coming down with a stick but where was the out? The video was lacking in not showing how long it took to release.
No comment on the dog, the training, or the bite, only the video.
I liked the fact that the dog went for the other arm coming down with a stick but where was the out? The video was lacking in not showing how long it took to release.
No comment on the dog, the training, or the bite, only the video.
by MaggieMae on 02 October 2009 - 17:10
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by Red Sable on 02 October 2009 - 17:10
KCzaja. 
Just as many poor VA's out there.
Just as many poor VA's out there.
by Phil Behun on 02 October 2009 - 17:10
Take it one step further Red Sable, look at photographs from the early recorded days of the GSD, what do they look like??? Shudder!! Gasp!! Double Gasp!!!! Say it isn't so MaggieMae,,,,,they look like a Malinois !!!!! Ahhhhhh!! The breed has fallen into the hands of people that are more interested in beauty than intelligence and temperament. Too bad that we as humans do not follow the same practice or Jessica Simpson would be Chancellor at Harvard or better yet, move over Barrack, guess who's coming to dinner!!! Brayne's are over raided. Want a house pet? Get a Doodle something or other, or a picture of Rin Tin Tin, stay out of the working dogs, some of us still want 'em and your ruining it for everybody.
by Rookabadooka on 02 October 2009 - 17:10
OK...I will start by saying I know little to NOTHING about this kind of training for dogs. On that note, as an outsider, I will say damn! What a disaster waiting to happen! All I have read on here and other places seem to promote a strong respect and understanding between dog and owner. The ability to communicate with eachother is utmost for control. That person on the leash looked more nervous and lost then the dog and the guy in the suit punched the dog in the face with a bare arm....?wha? That dog defended it self because the enviroment was chaos and I think had no clue who was incharge and no direction on were to go. It was every dog and human for themselves at that point. If I am way off the mark here PLEASE let me know. I have learned a lot reading here and if I missed something please let me know :)
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