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bob o is right     let one go to a good home or separate that is a must before one gets killed

bob o is right     let one go to a good home or separate that is a must before one gets killed

I just had to get rid of one of my females because of this same situation! You must seperate them or re home one of them. It suck to have to choose which bitch to get rid of but it will never work. Things will only get worse, Bob O is right in every word he spoke. I had talked to trainers willing to pay any fee to fix this and they all said the same thing, "it cannot be fixed". They will fight until the end. Hope you make the right decision.

Brandi M

Well said Bob-O.
I am wondering if she hears us, with the comment "I know they can be together".
I so hope she does, for her sake and the dogs.

I am also wondering how many "accidents" after Ceaser. it is the law of survial among the canines and you are not going to change it, you can control it by making modifcations (seperating them), but not change it. When you mess with Mother Nature, she fights back!

I got two females, I won't let them be together without me being in close proximity, and if they try to fight between each other that's when I come in with full force, and trust me I am way harder than they are when i come in with my bat. So it is possible to have two but you need to be ready for everything. But to be honest I would never do it again, (having two females). But neither I will get ride of one. I am the top dog in the house, and one thing you never do is piss off the top dog.



The only thing un trainable are "we" humans.

And the other female is my fiance so maybe if I ever get ride of her I will get ride of of the other female lol hahahahaha. Imagine that 3 females in one house. lol

Looks like you touched on a common subject.  2 GSD females in the same pack is not a good combination.  I have had to break up fights, fights to the death, with chairs, tables, anything I could get my hands on.  I have a male and female combination.  The female is very aggressive and high in drive.  The male is too. 

I suggest that the following conservative theories come first.  1)  You must be the dominant dog in the pack (you allow her to fight or not); 2)  Once she breaks pack rank and fights it is too late-she will do it again; 3)  The attacking female is likely animal aggressive and you can train it out of her to an extent; and 4)  Be very careful with your attacking female around other animals unless you are 100% confident she knows you are the pack leader.   It takes a lot of pack training to get her there.  I would not allow my dog to eat or drink until she worked for it, I ate, and I switched up when I would allow her to feed and drink.  I crated her and allowed her to come out on a leash only and so forth and so on.  She got the message. 

I have used leather muzzles, shock collars (away from other dogs), and dominant dog collars.  My female is a candidate for animal aggression.  I trained her for 6 months and would use the shock collar if she even looked at a dog.  I can now walk her and she will not even ackowledge another dog unless it is dark out and she starts to feel proctective.  Even then, I tell her when she can get excited and when to stop. 

If you keep them I suggest you keep an airhorn, pepper spray, or a bucket of water handy to break up any fights.  My honest guess is that if you keep them together one will end up dead.  I would also be careful about mis-reading "avoidance" as submission.  I have seen dominant dogs that respect pack order wear out there avoidance methods before turning and ending the discussion.

Anyway, interesting topic.  Best of luck.

Once this starts with females it will continue.  If you want to have major medical bills keep them together, if not, seperate them.  This combination IMO is one that will not be worked out.  This may have nothing to do with animal aggression.  Years ago I had a very similar situation.  One was more dominant and I had to watch them.  I was gone from home and got a call from my wife that the dominant one got into it with the other one and had literally torn her stomach open.  This dog was attempting to disembowel the weaker one.  The weaker one had always submitted.  My wife recruited some help but the damage was done.  I learned a hard lesson, just because I was in tune to these dogs when they were together and I would have dealt with it much firmer and quicker, it could happen to me as well.  No human being is able to watch them 100% of the time.  I sold the dog that day.  The other recovered but it was not good.  IMO females are the worst combo left together as they have different and more issues to fight over.  They hold grudges and will not forget.  I will never leave two females alone with no supervision for too long.  Time to look at what is best for the dogs.

THESE DOGS ARE FIGHTING FOR YOUR ATTENTION WHILE YOU ARE NOT IN LEADERSHIP POSITION. THEY ALSO MAY FIGHT IF THEY ARE COMING INTO HEAT (sometimes they go through this cycle even if spayed.)

What to do.
1.Separate the females.(!!!!!!!!)
2.Train the dogs proper type of obedience which enables you to establish leadership position. This should enable you to keep the dogs together, but O-N-L-Y WHEN / IF YOU ARE AROUND. You may or may not be able to accomplish this. That depends on your personality and type of training. I
3.f you are not around; then these two particular females MUST in any case BE SEPARATED FOR REST OF THEIR LIFE!. Or they may and probably will KILL EACH OTHER.
4.I personally do not ever leave any two females together while I am not supervising them. Sometimes such dogs are fine for years and then they fight really bad,... even to death. Do not even take nap in different room then where the females are. They can fight very quietly. Other dogs then also may join in and kill the weakest female.
5.Males which are otherwise OK with each other, will suddenly fight if there is a female in heat even mile(s) away.
Prager (Hans)
http://www.alpinek9.com

While you and others have had animals of different types and breeds where same sex lived together, I can not say I have  seen many GSD females that hang out together well.  It does occur with right temperament and drive levels, but obviously you do not have this situation at all.  Rather, you have what many of us have experience, strong females who will fight to the death.   Anecdotally, I have heard of strong handlers who were able to manage such a pack situation, but again have never seen it and you will find it is NOT most  GSD owners experience.  My worst female will mind if I am there, but this is after lots of training and her knowing who the one in charge is.  I would never place her with other females and go out the door.
To be on top of this takes excellent leadership and dog handling skills.

If your dogs were going to coexist peacefully, they already would.  While you might gain control over them under strict obedience in your presence, they are never going to be trustworthy left alone. 

If you have a kenneling situation such that you can manage them and keep them apart, then maybe they can make it.  But, in the next moment someone has a lapse, forgets where they put one or who is out and youhave a huge fight on your hands.  My husband if permanently maimed from inserting himself in a bitch fight. 

Any intervention from you to try to punish or train this out of them is likely to escalate your problem in a hurry unless you have experience dealing with such a situation.