NEUTERING - Page 2

Brittany, I think your remarks are completely out of context here. But my opinion on this: A person who rapes and abuses children and helpless women should be more than just neutered. My good upbringing prevents me from elaborating any further.

Wow. We do have extremes here. It's unfortunate that we can't just ask the dogs! I do not have behavior problems with my males because they are intact. I get very tired of the view that you can fix or prevent all these problems by neutering. As far as it being better health wise? Why do we push middle aged women to take hormones. Do we not have greater risks or heart and bone disease after menopause? I believe that the bottom line is responsiblity. It is my responsiblity to supervise my dogs to prevent them from having unwanted litters. Frankly, it is easy enough to do (much easier than supervising my teenae son). I have neutered and spayed my pets in the past. The only reason I would neuter or spay any animal from here on is if it was in their best interest healthwise.

Hear, hear! I think the discussion started on dogs that were NOT going to be bred from, such as pets, longcoats etc. Frankly I would rather that a prospective pet owner who buys from me, sterilize the dog than let it run rampant and cause a lot of undesired pregnancies! Let's face it, we who are used to having bitches come into season every now and again, know how to deal with our males, but Pete Public does NOT - which is where the problems creep in.

pzdc, aah your knowledge exceeds mine. Unfortunately a vasectomy was not offered to me when I fixed my boy, and I just did what the vet said. I do not have a problem with people leaving their pet dogs intact, as long as they are responsible about it, but with regard to the general public, better safe than sorry.

pzdc, Yes I'm very touchy about this. If your willing on putting a dog into stress and pain by having surgery ( that isn't really necessary) then humans should do the same, especially the dog owners who LOVES neutering their animals... I betcha any money that nobody here would ever go under the knife and get themselves "neutered". Having a dog is a big responsibility, like having children. you need to watch it like a child, if you're too busy at work and have no time to watch them then you shouldn't own a dog in the first place. if the dog goes off and mates, guess who's fault that is?!? no it's not the dogs fault because god gave them an organ ( that shouldn't be removed) to mate, it's your fault for allowing it to happen. By getting off the ass and start doing some training will solve most of the issues with the dog that's still have their testicles. GSD4dogs, yes! exactly! I get tired of hearing them too. I get tired of (pro neutered) people telling uneducated people that the only way to solve anything is to put the dog under the knife and by removing the sexual organs. It's RESPONSIBILITY! Training is the key to solve most of the issues. I believe that the only reason to get a dog neutered is if hes showing signs of health concerns. Silbersee, it might but I was trying to make a point. I agree that rapists should get more then getting neutered but we live in the USA and here in the USA we have human rights.

hi all pzdc:"I think a woman who doesn't want to have children should in fact be sterilized as should a man." IMO that is quite an extreme statement pzdc, but its your opignon and i respect it but i think we should stop relating dog issues to humans although we seem not to be able to. Lets also keep rapists out of this PLEASE!!! we cannot simply say "oh i wouldnt like to have my genitals chopped off" and assume the dog feels the same way. yes it would be great to ask the dog what it feels but that is simply not possible. dont get me wrong, im not for neutering a dog. im quite against it unless it would help prevent discomfort or health problems FOR THE DOG. but i wonder if im not getting my own feelings mixed up in this, i would not like to be neutered, but the dog just isnt me! Where i come from a lot of propaganda about neutering your pet goes on, this is to control the stray dog problem. Protection of Animal Welfare societies keep on insisting that neutering does not change anything to your pet! although we all know this is not true, and i also see added in some places that neutering makes an even better pet since your dog does not go wondering in search of a mate. Protection of Animal Welfare societies even encourage you to neuter as young as possible if the dog isnt going to be used for a responsible breeding programme! I totally understand that such propaganda addressed to mostly inexperienced dog owners is effective to control the stray dog problem as well as backyard breeders. if ever you are considering to neuter your dog i guess 2 years is fine (after the dog has matured both sexually, physically and mentally). yes brittany i totally agree with you but this isnt a perfect world and not everyone is responsible enough so as not to let their dogs go in search of the female in heat. and the female in heat is extremely ingenious at opening windows or doors or finding any possible way of escaping. Training is THE solution to deal with behavioural problems, not neutering, in many cases with an adult dog, behavioural problems such as aggressiveness and teritory marking can simply NOT be stopped with neutering! Be responsible dog owners neuter if this will prevent your dog discomfort and illness. BRITTANY "By getting off the ass and start doing some training will solve most of the issues with the dog that's still have their testicles." keep your bitch in a secure pen or confine to the house if she is on heat. be responsible owners!!! im sure most of us here are...im not a preacher...just givin my opinion Merci

Maybe I'm a bit naive. How do you train a dog not to respond to a bitch in season? I would be very concerned about my male if this should happen because THAT is uncharacteristic! And all my dogs, bitches included, are very well trained thank you very much! That's why I have a double VA .............

Brittany, are you serious? There is no excuse NOT to spay or neuter a dog that is not going to used for quality breeding. I do not beleive in neutering a male young, they need those hormones to fully mature, and most males neutered young in my opinion are rather effeminate. Just because a person keeps their intact dog on lockdown and trains it does NOT mean the rest of the world is the same. The neighborhood mutt could hop your fence and knock up your female, and TA-DA! unwanted puppies. And DO NOT underestimate your intact male, all the training in the world may not help you if he catches wind of a female in heat. Those of you who are experienced in this know how brain dead a male can get when he smells a girl. Your dog could be the one hopping the femce to get to the neighbors dog. Not to get too far off topic, but since you are such a hard core training advocate, Brittany, how's Jake? Get his SchH1 yet?

Hey guys (and gals). Haven't they heard about vasectomizing there by you? Why do you just want to neuter? A vasectomy is quick, cheap and not traumatic at all to the dog. Most of the time the vet doesn't even give anasthetic. What's more is he doesn't lose any hormonal development. Having a vasectomized dog in your kennel is also very advantageous because he will "tell" you exactly when your bitches are ready to be mated and can even "break in" a maiden bitch without being able to impregnate her. The only erason I would even consider neutering (castrate) a male is if he has severe prostate problems.

When I got my GSD pup (my first GSD) I made a decision to not have him neutered at least till he was 2 or 3, which would give me time to determine wether or not I'd want to use him for breeding. The decision was purely a guy instinct, "a guy thing" perhaps, I wouldn't want to be neutered so why do it to my best friend? I've come accross many articles over the last 5 months and I feel i've made the right decision 100%. My vet threw a whole bunch of BS statistics at me, reduces aggression xx%, reduces this that and the other. I frequently see neutered male dogs trying to hump my GSD (he so far has never tried to hump anything at almost 9 months of age) or marking their spot, it didn't seem to solve any problems for these people, I agree with all the people above who said it's all down to training. However I also understand the point some others are trying to convey - regardless of wether we like it or not, there are irresponsible people out there, I often drive through neighborhoods and see unsupervised pets just hanging out in the front yard or walking around the streets, owners like this should not have a dog, but since there's no laws regulating who can have a dog or not, it's best their dogs are spayed and neutered or problems WILL happen. But for any responsible dog owner, and I assume that anyone who cares enough to be on a site such as this, I see no problems with leaving your canine companion in-tact. My $.02.