HOLY LINEBREEDING, BATMAN! - Page 10

Jeff Oehlsen, you psychotic freak! Where have you been? I missed you! Email me. I don't have anything nice to add to this ridiculous discussion, so I won't. ;-) Jen

 Quote: Read again, Jeff, as you are apparently trying to twist my words. They are right there in black & white--I said a FEW DOZEN , as in nearly 40. Only ONE was NOT aggressive to people. As I said, exactly the kind of monsters I expected.

Are you talking about pit bulls, or GSD's ??? So you say you saw adult dogs, a few dozen that were bred how ?? And you know this how ?? Just curious, as it goes back to the mysterious "they" again.

However, if a dogs genetics are this bad, then sure this could happen, but the same dog outcrossed doesn't produce this is what you are saying. Because all the dogs you are talking about were good breed quality dogs right ??

Trash to trash is gonna be bad. A lot of breeders talk about breeding to better the breed and all that crap and have been breeding a long time and such. But here we see several examples of breeders telling us that their dogs, who have been bred to better the breed could not possibly produce a decent dog. Inbreeding shows you what you are working with genetically. Anything bad produced is in your lines, so if they are all aggro nightmares, (didn't say what kind of aggro) then you deal with it.

If they are all dysplastic, then you know your lines carry that recessive pretty heavily. All you are doing is magnifying what your dog is carrying.

This is just a discussion. I have bred this way, and seen some weird shit, sure, but "I" didn't create that, "I" was trying to see what was going to be in my lines if I continued to breed to that dog. I have had beautiful dogs produce really bad stuff occasionally.

It is not like if you inbreed the gene fairy shows up and blasts your dogs with stuff they are not carrying. THEY HAVE IT.

 

Lets say you have a litter from a brother sister accident like above and you get half with genetic problems, and half that are fine. Where did the recessives go ???? LOL They do not have them anymore.

I am not telling anyone how to breed, just wondering if all the silly shit about this style of breeding is still out there. I guess you don't train your dog till they are 6 months, and let bitches have one litter as it makes them a better dog. : )

 

Try not to get all upset. I just want to know where you saw 40 inbred dogs. Where were they at ????? That would make a difference don't you think ????

Jeff,

This is something I have argued in the past, do you think having a litter makes a bitch a better dog?

I got into a heated debate over this once with someone who was suposed to know animals, top breeder, well educated.

I believe having a litter does do something positive for a bitch.  

Agree, or disagree?

Moons.

Jeff,

 

Don't play these idiot games with me!  I said EXACTLY  what I meant and anything you add is your usual crap.  I made it clear to any IDIOT that I was talking about gamb-bred pitbulls, so only an games-playing idiot would then ask whether I was talking about gsds or pits.  That being the case, I didn't even bother to read the rest of your dribble and will not bother to respond to you any further.  I am sure that in your crap you have YET to answer the question about your breeding, after pontificating about it from the outset. 

 

You are, at best, a pit troll from the trailer park whose beer-buddies are all locked up at the moment, so you come here to play.    Go play with yourself....  I won't bother with you any further.

 

I can see this is going no where.

SSDD.

i wasn't going to comment any more on this thread, but i can't help myself. Acci could turn out to be quite a nice dog--give him a chance!

as far as in/line-breeding goes, i suspect that very few "breeders" have ever studied even basic Mendelian genetics, much less more advanced genetics and that's where the "flavor-of-the-month" breeding comes into play. Koos knows his lines, dogs, etc. and he breeds to enhance what he sees as the complete GSD. just because most ppl can't handle a Tiekerhook dog doesn't mean they're bad. actually, if i had the $$, i'd buy one in a new york minute.

and i'll back jeff--he knows what he's talking about. and i would also suggest that anyone on here that doesn't want to take HIS word on in/line-breeding, check out the link he posted to WDF and don turnipseed's experience. don has done it, has the records on his dogs to prove the point: that inbreeding can actually lock in the good genes as well as the bad. one has to simply keep records and breed accordingly. just don't attempt it if you don't have the guts to let the genetics express themselves.

and, no, i'm not a breeder. i love a good GSD, and there are very few breeders i would consider buying a pup from--about 10, maybe. 

WHY WASTE YOUR BREATH GUYS.......YOU CANT FIX STUPID!!!!

Tea anyone ???

No thanks, no tea for me.

Just gonna burn one and head outside while the weather holds, cant waste a pretty day when I know crappy weather is not far away.

Winter has only begun here.

 

 Quote : I believe having a litter does do something positive for a bitch.  

Agree, or disagree?

I have never seen any difference. I am not sure what you do with your dogs, but I do a lot of training, so maybe that is why I haven't seen anything. I have had this conversation with friends, and they pretty much all say that the amount of work I do with my dogs might be why I never see anything different.

Maybe another thread, but what do you see ???

 

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Don't play these idiot games with me!  I said EXACTLY  what I meant and anything you add is your usual crap.  I made it clear to any IDIOT that I was talking about gamb-bred pitbulls, so only an games-playing idiot would then ask whether I was talking about gsds or pits.

WOW. Angry. Sorry dude. Where were these dogs at again?? Who had them ??? This can play a big part on what you are talking about. Obviously, there were some issues in those lines. Again, this is a discussion. I am not sure what all the anger is about, but if you think I know nothing about breeding then fine. Stay out of it. Just for fun, do you belong to PETA ??? LOL

Inbreeding magnifies what is there genetically, but to bring an example of mal treated and abused dogs to the table doesn't count now does it ???

 

Quote: WHY WASTE YOUR BREATH GUYS.......YOU CANT FIX STUPID!!!!

No, but interesting how you cannot argue your point more effectively than troll troll troll. I have had many friends from England that can debate with the best of them. Maybe you are not English ??? LOL Try not to take this so seriously. 

I am really curious about how this pup turns out. 

kim--keep us updated as to how Acci turns out. i'm willing to bet he'll be really nice! 

i also notice that rather than doing some research, a number of ppl responding to this thread seem to be a bit defensive, and are reacting vs. thinking. typical for the PDB.  thinnk i'll go try spitting into the wind...