TWO DAY SHOW - Page 7

Interesting, I wonder if it will be illegal to bring camera's and video equipment to the next USA Sieger Show? Maybe they don't want the bad exposure that tUScA is getting now with the release of video that has caused such a stir.

Heather, I never said that 440 pages of adverts would pay for the entire project!.

I simply said it would go along way towards it especially being that the book is no longer the first ever record of a "UK Championship show in fotos and word", nor is it to be offered  'Exclusively' to 'Selected' kennels by Fardogart which is how the venture was presented to myself and many others. Advertising space was apparently snapped up on that basis and its only now that people are being informed the author withdrew from what most people would consider to be the privilage of being invited as official photographer for one of this countrys most prestigious events. The reason we are given is because hosts wanted rights over the photographs. Is that really so unreasonable of them?

I am sure that money from book sales will also go a long way towards covering the printing cost of this venture/hobby which is probably why the author would rather have full control.

The book now seems to be concentrating on the British Sieger. Not a Champ show, but never the less a GSD show, and yes, their official photographs do appear in Our Dogs, Dog World, BC Magazine and on numerous websites. However, for them to appear in a private book must indeed be a first based entirely upon trust in the photographer once they relinquish control.

And to Lin, get a grip of yourself woman! are people not entitled to wonder what is happening when the goal posts are constantly being moved?  Not everyone is constantly logged on to your website trying to keep track of the constant changes. You don't have the monopoly in feeling hurt and misled. In fact I would say you have been responsible for some of it.

Zac

Sue,

Let's get one thing straight.  I posted my reply or was doing so as you were obviously doing yours, that much I can see from the times.  After posting mine, I then read yours.  My reply was in direct reply to Pencil and Zac, not that I have to justify that to anyone.  If I had issue with anything you had said, believe me I would state it and state it clearly.  I have no problems speaking my mind or defending my opinions, thank you very much.  If  you feel there is something I should take issue over with you then please state it and I will.

You seem to be reading something into this that is simply not there.

Again, I post one reply and there is another message there, from Zac.  So much for going to bed eh?

Zac, your comments re why Lin is no longer the official photographer for the 2 day are misinformed.  The reasons are not for me to say but my understanding is that it was more to with the committe wanting some financial gain, which was simple not feasable to offer, from a non profit making project.  You mention book sales covering cost.  These books are costing in excess of £40 to purchase, even as a bulk order.  They will be sold at around £23 - £25, so where is the profit!  To be honest, the more books that sell the less likely there will be any profit as more money is then required to cover the loss on each book.  I know this makes no sense but the advertising money is covering this loss.  Sales will not see a profit believe me.  Please contact Lin direct for the actual figures on paper which have been passed to the Working Party and the sponsers, which may explain the financial position to you more clearly than I. 

No breed club to my knowledge has ever tried to control the rights to photographs taken at a show and I hope that is not the case on this occasion.

Re the privelage to been asked to take photographs at a show like this.  I can assure anyone interested, that when this offer came in, Lin was absolutely over the moon and just couldn't believe it.  She certainly felt they had bestowed on her a great honour and set about her task with great enthusiasm, even designing their 2 day Logo for them, ( at no cost of course)  Lin is extremely gutted she is no longer carrying out this privilage. 

And, like last year's Sieger, when there were numerous photographers in the ring.  How do you propose they control all the photographs taken by them?

It is obvious that for many people in our breed "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing". They very quickly assume they "know it all", when they clearly do not! They are very quick to condemn without full and accurate facts, continually assuming many things while still short on facts.
I do not consider myself elite, and I leave democracy for when it is relevant. Fairness is very important to me, and yet I see very little of it. However I am certain of one thing in our breed, there are enough people involved in our breed who are more than capable of destroying any beneficial GSD breed initiative before it gets of the ground.
I only wish they could match their vitriolic comments with positive action for our breeds’ future. I have witnessed on here the most deplorable and disgusting assassination attempt of one of the nicest, most genuine and generous people in our breed. We certainly do not deserve her, and she certainly does not deserve the ill informed and presumptuous rhetoric spewed forth with such alacrity and denigration on this thread.
Our breeds show scene is facing doom and gloom here in Great Britain, being destroyed from the inside by the very people who profess to care about our breed.
I suggest you all await the advert about this planned book, if Lin is still inclined to proceed with it. Our breeds show scene is hanging by a thread, we can all shoulder some of the blame for its demise during the last decade or so.
I hope it is not too late for us all to start pulling together and start supporting those amongst us who really can make a difference, if only for the sake of our dogs.
David Payne

I apologise for the spelling errors  and mistakes gramatically in my entry above.  This has been one hell of a long day and I am very tired, so I am now defo going to bed and hope that tomorrow, people are more positive and constructive, instead of looking to criticise and be negative.  Enjoy your dogs  

Heather I was going to bed too but first I must point out that my comments re why Lin is no longer the official photographer for the 2 day are not misinformed. They come from her posting on this very site where she says "I was meant to be the official photographer for the 2 day show but not at the exclusion of other cameras ,I felt i had to resign this positon before I was sacked  as i just would not agree to pay them whatever they decided for the privilege of a non profit book ."

This suggests to me that there is some confusion over differing perceptions of whats a privilage. And its quite presumptious to assume it would be a privilage to any club to be allowed to sell a book of photographs they in the first instance invited you to take!! not to mention that all the payments/income for the book were processed by the club.

I have heard nothing to change my opinion that this book is intended to be a yearly production that will be forsale in part  to finance one individuals hobby. If it is what the exhibitors want, then I am sure they will be purchasing a copy however, as Sue B points out, it is not likely to be flying off the shelves.

Zac

Hello Zac, are you Aileen Mathieson, secretary of the GSD Club of Scotland?
The "host" Club for the Two Day Show 2008. Because if you are, it will put your comments on here "in context", and I feel sure you would be able enlighten us all regarding the facts surrounding photography at this years Two Day Show.

Couldn't agree more with Sue B.  She is 100% right about the back stabbing. These people are nothing but cowards and if they can't say things straight to people then they should keep their mouths well and truly shut.

I was going to post a very similar message. Since "Zac" has come on here - he/she has been giving very "positive" reasons as to the decisions that the committe have made..... Perhaps, if you are not "Zac" - then you wouldnt mind clearing the fact by letting everyone know who you are, but my guess is that you are at the very least on the committee who made the deicision in the first place. 

I also agree with David, that we are very good in the UK - no EXCELLENT - at denigrating new people who come in to it to improve/enrich our sadly lacking scene.  What must people abroad be thinking of all of this reading this thread - can you imagine?? " UK top premier show"  -  "Dont want a Glossy GSD Book"  "Dont want photographs taken" (according to the schedule note)

Sue B - you got it totally wrong also regarding the "elite list"  -  Oh that I would figure there !!   I too, like Mandy Mac have rooted out my old mail from Lin - it was sent to a HUGE amount of people lots I have never heard of and important for you to know YOU WERE LISTED THERE.   So now, Lin has been accused of something else that she was never party to.

Lin.  From my point of view - and many that have telephoned and spoken about this - please hang on in there. At present you have no reason to - I apologise for the people that have "called" you - and they make me ashamed, because different to Heather, I dont  know you really well, but I can say, without any doubt - that the photographs that you have sent me, done for me, and the time you have spent doing so WITH NEVER A CHARGE TAKEN EVEN THOUGH IT WAS OFFERED have been superb.  Our breed needs this publication, it needs to rise above the tinpot critics who can only see problems - I only hope that you will be there on the day as the official photographer.

The committee hosting the 2 day event have now issued a statement, and it has wriled many of us to know that they feel we all "mis-understood" when - as Carol states - they in fact made it Crystal Clear regarding the situation on where photographs could be taken.  Reading in to your statement Lin, I feel that you are being diplomatic, and not wanting to drop bomb-shells and tell the whole issue of what is going on - and I applaud you for that.  Take Care  Mo - Mascani