Intact male in the bedroom - Page 3

I decided to find my source here, as this is the only book I've ever read that deals with this oddball topic: Lew Burke's Dog Training. The author recounts the above incident, which was with a Lhasa Apso, and also a second, much more serious incident with a GSD.  (Incidentally, I had my facts wrong. The Lhasa Apso was successfully rehabilitated, even though he'd  bitten both his owners badly enough that they needed stiches. He was also neutered to reduce his interest in sex.)

Lew says it is not unusual for dogs to take a sexual interest in their humans, as they are, after all, part of our 'pack'.  In the case of the GSD, Lew told the owner the dog had a homosexual interest in her husband, and, one day, he was going to try mounting the husband. When pushed away, he would attack.

The woman told Lew she thought he was a screwball, and went to another trainer, who agreed with her.  Seven months later, Lew got a call from the woman. The dog had done exactly as predicted, and when his advances were rebuffed, he attacked and ripped her husband up for 140 stitches!  (I assume they had him euthanized after this, but Lew doesn't say.)

Lew also says the Lhasa Apso got sexual pleasure from biting people, and when reprimanded by being hit with a switch or a slingshot, would actually fly into an unstoppable rage, and continue to bite. Lew solved the problem by holding a metal bite block, and getting the dog to bite on the metal. At first it would do this until its mouth was actually bleeding. Eventually, it realized that biting wasn't pleasurable any more, and stopped.

Sounds like one screwball dog! And I'm leery of Lew's conclusions about dogs getting sexual pleasure from biting. Anybody ever heard this before?

I have seen several dogs, males that hunch a leg and I couldn't begin to tell you what the correction for such behavior should be.   Small dogs usually go flying, medium dogs get a wack up side the head, but a 75 pound GSD intent on reproducing?  Man ya got me.   

Maybe Johns got something with the third person idea.   Might as well include a sound man and a film crew.  I think I saw this movie somewhere online...! 

My dogs have gotten curious about this but I tell them not until they are married.   

My advice is leave the dogs out of the bedroom.    And if my dog growled at me I would Deal with it right then and there while everything is fresh in his mind. 

Sheeesh.

Why the need to have any Dogs in the Bedroom at all, That is a private place in my way of thinking, Canines excluded

there is limits, and the Bedroom is an Off one for me

Steve

Aye! me had this very problem.

3 dogs be sittin' in t' waitin' room o' a vet's office. One be a Poodle, one be a Schnauzer and t' other be a German Shepherd. T' Poodle turns t' t' Schnauzer and asks, "Why be you here?"  T' Schnauzer responds, "I'm 17 years old. I don't see or hear very well. I've been havin' accidents in t' house. me owner says I'm too old and sick so he brought me here t' be put t' sleep." T' Schnauzer asks t' poodle, "Why be you here? T' Poodle responds, "I've not been meself lately. I've been especially high strung. I've been barkin' all t' time, I've been snappin' at people and I even bit one o' t' neighbor's sprogs. Nobody knows why this has been happenin'. me owner says he can't risk me bitin' somebody else so he brought me here t' be put t' sleep." T' Poodle and Schnauzer ask t' German Shepherd why he be here? T' German Shepherd responds, "me owner be t' Captain. His wench be this beautiful lassy. Ayeterday she was walkin' around t' house naked when she suddenly bent down t' pick up somethin' she dropped. She was bent over and naked when nature took over and t' next thin' I know I'm on top o' her doin' t' doggie thin'. I couldn't help meself.  

T' Poodle asks, "So your owner's wench brought you here t' be put t' sleep?"

T' German Shepherd says, "No, I'm just here t' get me nails trimmed.

Bad, bad Captain!

You owe me a new monitor now...

I'm with Steve1 here, our dog is not even allowed upstairs let alone the bedroom. He has his own place downstairs & as a wise old man said to me when we got our first dog many years ago "always remember to treat it as a dog (& not a human)"

Although the thread is regarding a serious problem & is no laughing matter I couldn't help but giggle at times,  "The owner thought the trainer was being ridiculous, and blew him off."  fnar, fnar.

As always the inimitable Cap'n comes up with the goods!

AandA

IMO this has to do with dominance. He's at the age where he's trying to find his position in the pack and consideres the new wife an item of interest. He's not thinking you're hurting her, dogs don't think in that direction. He's fighting you for ownership of her. My guess is that she has not yet become involved in making him respect her, i.e., in doing any sort of obedience training with him. That's where I would start.

Simple obedience work such as PLATZ while doing the dishes, for no reason other than that she can give the command and he is expected to obey. She must then also be willing to correct him if he breaks, and she must be the one to offer the release word and the reward. Another good one is recall training on a long line. HIER - and if he doesn't come, yank his line. And, if he gets unruly while you two are getting it on, she should be the one putting him out of the room for the duration.

IOW, your wife needs to let the pup know that she's bigger, better, and more important in the family than he will ever be. The pup has to learn that she is to be obeyed and, especially, respected.

Well, any male dog of mine that would show a sexual interest in a human would end up neutered ex post hasto.

Define "sexual interest in a human".

Dogs sniff crotches, that's just a fact of life. And some dogs hump legs or any other body part they can grab. That isn't sexual interes. That's dominance.

And even if it were sexual interest, why neuter the dog for that reason? Teach him that it's not acceptable behaviour. Neutering isn't very likely to stop it, anyway. We've all seen neutered dogs hump all manner of things. It's sex if he does it with a bitch. It's mostly dominance if he does it with (to?) another male or a human. In both cases he'll likely get, or should get, a very strong correction but IMO neutering is TOO strong a correction.

And no, I'm not opposed to s/n. My dogs are neutered - and the 14 year old still tries to snag me every now and then. Definitely not sexual.

I just about died laughing when I first came across this post…
My initial question: Do you or your Wife use any other method of Birth-control?

I agree with Aqua,
I don’t believe that your dogs interest, in you or your wife, is of a sexual nature,
I think this has everything to do with dominance!

Why than would he put his nose, where it doesn’t belong?
One - cause he’s in the bedroom!
Two - them sounds, coming from the bed, sound !?!?!
Three - Sex smells! Good - Bad - Different - whatever!
Sex Hormones or Chemicals, Fluids … the dog has got a nose!

At 11 months old, your German Shepherd has probably reached sexual maturity
(producing Testosterone, which affects aggression),
and is looking to established himself in the alpha position,
challenging you (the Alpha) by growling, nipping and biting at you.

Every time he does this (challenges you), and gets away with it,
he’s gaining more ground towards the goal he is pursuing ,
and growing more confident in himself.

You’ll have to step up now and establish yourself as the alpha once and for all ,
exercise control over him (obedience training)
and reclaim ‘grounds’ you may have lost, by means of banning him from the bedroom, (which just so happens to be the place where he challenged you!)

I think you should see an immediate change in his conduct ~ which may or may not be positive
(pending on how much grounds he thinks he’s gained since he first started acting like a “butt-head”, he may be a little or a lot less courteous, about staking his claim or defending it, in the future!)

From what I gather from your post(s), your dog does not perceive your Wife as a threat at all
but rather wants for her to affirm what he perceives to be the truth - he IS dominate over her!

He has not threatened or challenged her because he doesn’t have to - he IS already dominate over her!
Your Wife must get involved in the training of this dog!