Stud Dog for Gabi - Page 3

oh, & then there's V Zorro vom Laager Wall, a little DDR blood in the mix.....I hope we can title old Wolfy boy this summer...such a shame to have such good bloodlines not titled. He's just in need of a little polishing, he's got the basics already! At least we can put a BH on him, his obedience is great! jh

What is the big deal about the studfee paid on a later date ?? I allowed  2 high quality females to my stud   with payment for studfee  on a later date.  This does not mean the breeder will not take proper care of the offspring !!   Sometimes we just do not have the cash flow  and IMO I rather wait for the fee and breed to a quality bitch then pimp out my male to  owners with cash in hand and a lemon on the lead :))

Pia

You can use Xandor if you promise to keep his butt in PA! 

And the troll of all trolls opens her mouth again. Did you think the flames finally died down from the last round of crap you started here? Nice try.  Get off the computer and go title your dog. It was quite pleasant here without you.

How do you people know Shelley hasn't already thought of any possible emergencies? Maybe she has, maybe she hasn't, thats her business. When I bred my girl last year, the stud fee was actually not owed until my dog delivered 2 live pups.  Which I was very grateful for, I was short on cash too- especially since I had to set aside a lot of money for her vet costs, including a c-section.

Don't worry Shelley- some us here do still live in the real world.

Oh, and Pia- well said. =)

Shelly I don't see anything wrong with that type of arrangement being made for a stud fee as long as you are comfortable with who you're conducting your transaction with.  I've also gotten my stud fee after the bitch gave birth to at least 2 live puppies and the first one got sold (which was before it was born)lol , I've even had an arrangement where they paid me 1/2 when she was confirmed pregnant and the balance when the litter was born.  There's nothing set in stone that says things have to be a certain way.  It's no one's business if or how much money you do or don't have, if you have "emergency funds" or not.....PLEASE!  When someone else is willing to pay my bills then they can start getting personal.

I'm sure you won't have trouble finding someone willing to work out an arrangement with you.  You've been doing this long enough that you're clearly prepared and know what you're up against.  The only thing you got going against you is the short amount of time to find what you're looking for and get the breeding done.

Good Luck and let us know how you make out.  BTW, what bloodlines are you looking for?

the stud fee arrangement is between the stud owner and the female owner.  Period.  I'm always willing to negotiate payments, or payment when puppies are on the ground or confirmed.  No problem from where I'm coming from either.

molly

Originally posted by KCzaja:

Don't worry Shelley- some us here do still live in the real world.

I sure as hell hope that wasn't directed at me.  I do very much live in the "real world".  I just don't use credit cards or live beyond my means.  I pay cash and we worked hard to get to that point.

Brittany was told what she was told to both give her something to work at and occupy her time, keep her (and possible future pups and dam) out of trouble and to take such future questions to a thread of their own.  Yes, they are my personal opinions - isn't that what we all post here?

I don't give a rat's ass how you all handle your "businesses" or "finances".   Get a reality check yourselves.  Not everyone is like you - in financial or other matters. 

When it comes time to breed it's "stud fee only".  Giving a puppy back in lieu of stud fee can ultimately cost you money if the price of the puppies is more than the stud fee.

I don't necessarily look at it that way.  If I had a female and I asked a stud dog owner to accept payment when the pups are born or sold, then I'd be happy to give a pup back in lieu of payment.  You may lose money but the stud dog owner is doing you a favor by holding off on payment on something that may never happen.  They've taken their time and effort to help you out so I wouldn't have a problem with "paying" them with a pup that is worth more than the stud fee.

MI GSD:

There's nothing wrong with that for you and that's fine if that's how you like to operate your finances.

Paying the stud fee up front (making sure one is financially able to do that before considering breeding) eliminates the "I'm doing you a favor" issue.   Time and effort is part of the cost of standing a dog at stud.  If one doesn't have the time and one doesn't want to expend the effort - don't stand your dog at stud.

If it "doesn't happen" it's either that there is an issue with the bitch or the dog and that should be contractually agreed to prior to breeding re: refund or rebreed but all testing should be done on both beforehand to help determine and eliminate possible "issues". 

It isn't always and that's unfortunate.  But that doesn't change the fact that one is "buying" something and it should be paid for up front.

Well said, Pia.

I've been breeding dogs long enough, owned enough stud dogs, to have participated in just about every arrangement you can think of, on both sides of the fence.  Hell, if someone comes to me with a female who I think will make my male look good, I'll bend over backwards to get the breeding done!  I've even delivered my males to people's homes, repro clinics 100 miles away for the breeding.

After some 30 litters, I am not exactly in the dark about what emergencies can present themselves in the process of trying to produce a litter of puppies. I only use credit cards when necessary for travel... and/or veterinary bills.

As far as offering a puppy in lieu of stud fee, the value of that offer depends on the stud dog owner, who may or may not own a female to breed to their dog for a puppy THEY want to raise and train. If the dog owner is serious about training the puppy to titles, my kennel name firmly attached, its a win-win for both parties, never mind the market value of the puppy.

One thing I forgot to mention: I have a nice stud dog too. Of course I could make a 4th breeding between Carol and Gabi, but I am interested in bringing in some bloodlines I DON'T have as well as concentrating some I do. It might be within the realm of possibility to trade stud services with a like-minded breeder.

Thank you all for the generous offers and referrals you have offered. It turns out, as I check my calendar, that Gabi is on about her 7th day. She usually experiences estrus late in her heat cycle, but I plan to have a progesterone level done today if I can get an appointment at the vet. I have to go anyway for a health certificate for a puppy shipping out tomorrow.

Thanks again,

SS