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by Haz on 02 February 2015 - 03:02
You will be happy to know what I had personally declared those dogs had nothing to do with their training. It was done by their handlers, a helper and a TD none of which were me. I disagree with your assertion that it takes no longer or that the picture looks the same. Perhaps if the goal is not excellence then yes the training time and final picture looks the same.
If you are shooting for precise quality obedience and meaningful protection the differences and amount of time required for teaching the exercises differs vastly.
Ill put it this way, any WL I ended up with that had the drive and nerve levels of the afor mentioned SL dogs would be washed out to a pet home. Going through the motions just is not good enough for me.
I will also say that a dog so crazy you cannot trust them around your children, furniture and pets will also be moved along, as such a dog is has limited utility for property / personal protection.
by Blitzen on 02 February 2015 - 03:02
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSZ9zma-wYI
just saying.....
by Haz on 02 February 2015 - 06:02
Who's dog? Yours? I await the videos with bated breath..just saying..
by joanro on 02 February 2015 - 14:02
Mac, you replied; " but what you are not saying is that show line can work it is just that the breeders, pet owner don't want to train for the work."
No, I am not saying that at all, maybe I wasn't clear. What I said was that 'SL breeds don't.'.....produce dogs that can work.
"Big difference, you are blaming the dogs for something purely because of the attitude of people who do not want to work the dogs".
No, your mixing up my words to suit your view makes you THINK there is a big difference. The people who have no gumption to do anything with their dog CHOOSE the show lines because those are more suited to a sedentary life. And that goes for any breed of dog that is originally bred for work or hunting.
'The examples that you give are like they are for exactly the same reasons.'
Again, you are mistaken. Let me explain what I was trying to demonstrate by my comparison....I did not mean that current owners of the SL versions of the sporting breeds ( pointers, etc) are not seen with their dogs in field trials. What I meant was, go and get a puppy from the breeds I mentioned out of show bred litters. Put all the training you can muster into them....train your sl greyhound pup to run rabbits, put him in a starting box, train him on the track, train train train. Then put him in a race with real racing dogs and see what happens. Same thing with a show bred lab..train him from a pup and then enter him in a hunting trial. If you took the time to do this, you might learn that GENETICS are more than just a word to ignore the meaning of.
by Blitzen on 02 February 2015 - 14:02

by alienor on 02 February 2015 - 16:02
Thanks for that video Blitzen! Very fun. Celia would be a great help with the housecleaning. If only I could get my dog to run the vacuum cleaner.....
As far as Nature v. Nurture that is an ageless argument that will not be settled with words.
It seems for the betterment of the breed (dare I say this???)
merging the best of WL and SL's would be a good idea. The SL dog that is willing to bite (since Bite seems to define working now-a-days, (mostly) and the WL dog that has decent conformation (according to the SL way of thinking) should result in at least some puppies that would head us back to the character, temperament and trainability that so many remember and seem to long for. Extremes in any direction may be good for the individual dog's purpose but may not be breeding-worthy. Breeding for narrowly defined, specific traits on both sides is why we have a breed splitting into two and this ongoing 'discussion' about which is the 'real' GSD.
Since the profit motive cannot be separated from breeding at this point in time, the big breeders will no doubt continue on their separate tracks. It will fall to the 'little' people, the 'backyard breeders' to do what they can to find good specimens of both. I now await my beating for that opinion.
by Blitzen on 02 February 2015 - 17:02
We're working on that currently, alienor. The hardest thing so far was teaching her to do the laundry. She kept putting the colored stuff in with the whites.

by susie on 02 February 2015 - 17:02
No beating from me...................
by Ibrahim on 02 February 2015 - 21:02
A show line male and a work line female had this dialogue at lunch time
Work female: What is 10 years living with me ?
Show male: like a second my dear
Work female: What is 1000 decoy infront of me ?
Show male: just a piece of meat my dear
Work female: ok, give me a piece of that meat in your mouth
Show male: just a second my dear
by Haz on 03 February 2015 - 01:02
Wow, impressive..you should breed the crap out of her ...
Alienor that thinking is an excellent path to what many people truly want out of the GSD. A nice pet! Luckily there are many who already had this bright idea. They sell to many misinformed people who happily buy these dogs and enjoy them for what they are.
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