The decline of the German Shepherd character - Page 9

 

Bottom line - those who title their dogs consider it important and worthwhile; those who don't don't. Good arguments can be made for both. Breeders who follow the SV rules must title.

I again agree with JC - just do something with your dog that you both enjoy. 

And I'd like to add, the fact a dog doesn't have  titles doesn't mean it's a bad dog. The owner may not have the time, be too old, have health issues, etc. Or it may have just fallen into the wrong person's hands. The mother of my dog, Star, has no titles, but I decided to take a chance on her puppy mainly based on the fact the sire was titled, both grandsires were EXTREMELY well known dogs (one a Sieger, the other a Grand Victor), and both grandmothers were titled, too. I got a dog with a very sound GSD temperament, capable of doing just about anything I ask of her.

OTOH, how DO you judge the character of a dog that doesn't have titles?

Thanks SS for the lesson on english  .My old english teather had no red ink left . A gsd will judge itself with confidence  and ability for any task put on front of him .People over look flaws putting them down to other reasons bad weather, bad decoy ,but the dog knows his capabilities and thats the reason he falters.

 

                                                  Do you no how long this post took me

WHAT

 

Helmut Raiser ;

 

"PEDIGREES ARE MONEY"

"JUDGING IS POWER"

"WHOEVER PRINTS THE PEDIGREE PRINTS THE MONEY"

 

only up to 10 min mark, he calls presumably the sv the "breeding mafia" with "no ideals"

 

"if you want to breed a working dog you have to work it to see it's ablilities" - said with the most hillarious tone like. DUH people.

 

"THE VALUE OF THE TRIAL SELECTS THE CHARACTER OF THE DOG"

 

"SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THE IPO WE DO NOT SELECT THE GOOD DOGS"

 

Using any sport or work to select dogs for breeding is useful only to breed dogs for that sport or work.  IPO selects for dogs that can do well in IPO but not necessarily in police work or French Ring.  The GSD as a breed was developed without IPO or schtzhund as a breeding selection tool.  It's all smoke and mirrors when one group of GSD owners and breeders try to convince the rest of the GSD world that their dogs are the only true dogs worthy of the name GSD.  A GSD that can be a great drug detection dog does not need to be able to bite a jute sleeve with a full and calm grip.  A GSD that can chase a 275 pound linebacker sized drug addict across a muddy field and drag him down and force submission does not need to be able to do footstep tracking.  Different GSD tool sets and dogs for different jobs.  Which GSD organization recognizes the reality that there is no one perfect form of the GSD breed?? 

That´s a difficult issue, VK, but RSV 2000 ( Raiser ) still uses the IPO rules made by VDH / SV...

^ so instead we have a bunch of individuals all doing and saying what they want, the only validity in the whole process is how good you are at convincing someone else you re right.

 

this whole thing is like asking which Christain denomination is the correct one, when there are thousands of them all claiming to be.

Mike, I did mis-speak. It's not DNA and it's still theory, because its difficult to prove under the microscope. I do believe that learned behavior is inherited to a certain extent. I don't believe a dog can be trained to do a task and its pups will perform without training, but I do believe that if generations are involved, then the behavior is going to be fixed in the offspring....herding, pointing, etc. Maybe I'm wrong, but how else are those behaviors passed on?

^ they are learned??

 

i always refer to the startling fact of the starvation of dutch women by the nazi's that breed undersize babies for generations after the war even when normal nutrition levels were sustained in the next gen mothers, classical genetics can not explain it, not behaviour but still.

Thanks Joan now we are on the same page. :)

Instinctive behavior is heritable, and can be inherited in different degrees in siblings in a litter, which goes to the point of the OP.

 

Mike