IPO 2050 .. What Must Change ..Tracking - Page 9

Just my uneducated opinion, take it with a grain of salt. (Yes, you are hearing the sarcasum in the right places)

Yes, please, let's dumb down this sport even more. I am a full blooded American, but really, why do we always want to dumb things down to the lowest level?

As someone said or hinted at above: If you do not like it or it is "too hard," get out. There are plenty of other dog sports out there to enjoy. I, as a dummy, had the sense to recongize that IPO was not for my dog, so I found something else. We are having a ball and neither me or my dog regrete our decision.

One thing I have learned over the last year, if I get another GSD and intend them to be more than a pet, if they cannot handle ALL areas of IPO, not interested in the dog.

@susie, were you asking me?  I did say I have found success with K-12 schools, but private land owners is a totally different situation.  Not many farms around here, just undeveloped land, where the owner thinks you're going to fall into a shallow pit or step on a nail without safety boots on.

@Bob McKown, your agent works on commission, he doesn't give a hoot if your claim is denied.  I also doubt your property is on R1 or R2 zoned land, so your dog is not a flock protection dog, for insurance purposes.  That might be the perceived loophole your agent is working with.  State Farm has gone on record that it will insure all breeds, but not trained attack dogs.  I can't find the quote at this time, but I did find the one from American Family Insurance “We will not sell a new policy to customers who own a trained guard dog or attack dog, or a dog that has vicious tendencies that require the owner to remove or restrain it when people are present,”

 

Bob, I know that at least you will always be able to find a tracking area ... my question was for Momosgarage.

Friends, take a look at Fawnda´s sentences. She started not long ago with some Shepherds out of AKC and unknown lines. She made several mistakes, but in the end she was able to recognize the sense of "working" a working dog, and she is able to acknowlwdge the advantages and disadvantages of her own dogs. How did she learn? She tried.
She didn´t look for excuses, and she didn´t lie to herself, she is willing to spend time and money into her dogs, trying to get the best out of them, but not breeding them, because she tried and failed on the trial field.
This is okay for her dogs, she, as a responsible dog owner, tries to do her best for the dogs, not every dog is made for IPO, amazingly Fawnda, belittled by a lot of us, was able to understand... She is not going to breed her dogs again, not going to abandon them either, just having fun as much as posiible, but pretty aware, that a "working" dog should be able to work at least in IPO.
That´s what it is about, the IPO in itself is a test, during training we learn about our dogs temperament. Nobody said it´s easy, nobody said every dog and handlerteam will be able to do it, and nobody said that every dog competing in IPO is a "real" dog -
It´s the beginning of a long road, for a "normal" person it´s the only way to learn about his or her own dogs behavior, hardness, threshhold, and drives.
Didn´t even want to get involved into this thread, but no tracking because of no tracking areas in your country is just ridiculous,

Sorry.

 

Momo:

 

                     I don,t own trained attack dogs.I don,t know about American Family I don,t own a policy from them do you?. Do you own a State Farm policy? I appreciate your intention but I know exactly what i,m insured against and my limits and my liabilities. If any of you want to know the brass tacks of your limitations talk to your underwriters they write the policy.

@fawndallas & @susie, I don't think it should be dumded down, its just that more variations of the titles should be offered.  In my opinion, people should still be able to pursue the both old fashioned Schutzhund titles and the new IPO titles, as well as a variation of the IPO that substitutes the tracking for FCI article search (STp).  They could call it something like IPO 1-3(A) and IPO 1-3(B) and also bring back the old SchH 1-3 title and rules.  So there would be three different types of breed survey eligible bitework/OB/scent work titles that can be offered pending on local codes, ordinances and other artificial limitations put on the trainers and thier dogs.  All these things can exist together, but no one wants to find a way to execute something that works, only what excludes or delutes.

@Bob McKown, file a claim with a dog related injury and see if they aren't suddenly classified as "attack dogs" by the adjuster.  I don't envy you one bit, you're a financial distaster waiting to happen, not because of your dogs nor because of the training they are doing, but because of your blind faith in what you agent has told you.  If you're are smart, you'll have a lawyer review your policy ASAP.

 

Momosgarage, I do believe in a lot of sports suitable for dogs, but why should VDH/SV DVG change the rules prior to BREEDING?
When I was active in basketball, I often wished that they would change the rules and lower the hoop, because as a teenager I was on the smaller side of the scale. - They didn´t change the rules for me...

Forgot to mention - the herding dog trials are acknowledged, and the police dog trials are acknowledged, too.
You simply need to distinguish between sport and breeding recommodations ( did I spell that correct ???). requirements.

Why don´t we just enjoy the last years of active Schutzhund sport instead of throwing away things we will have to give away sooner or later?

@susie, I am not recomending change. All I have written above already existed or was considered at a high level.  Its not unreasonable in any way because the buyers & breeders will decide if they think a classic SchH 1-3 title is better than the IPO 1-3(A) or IPO 1-3(B).  These types of title variations CAN exist together.  Nothing gets deluted because the market decides the value of each, but also at the same time does not limit participation due to arbitray codes and ordinances.

 

BTW, I know about the HGH, FH3 and RH3 being recognized, we discussed that here before, there just are no clubs training or ding these trials and some are preventing people from doing breed survey with the FH3, which is against the rules.

I know we discussed that before. I forgot the RH2 trial and the blind guard dogs, but where did you find FH3 ?????????

momo:

 

                              Actually it,s the claims underwriters who wrote the policy who set your limits and liabilities. Again I appreciate your concern but i sleep well at nite. I,ve been around insurance for 26 years I kinda got a handle on it.