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by beetree on 15 January 2013 - 14:01
So that is a nice sounding sentence Joanro and Ruger1, but what exactly do you mean? Who are you refering to? Who are these people who don't believe in liberty? Can we tell by looking at them? Or what they post on YouTube? See, it is this type of nice sounding rhetoric that needs examining.
Oh, and I am not too emotional, any more. I am just right.
Oh, and I am not too emotional, any more. I am just right.
by joanro on 15 January 2013 - 14:01
"Just right", like the three bears during the Goldie Locks era.
I put lol, but LMAO is more appropriate. ;-)
I put lol, but LMAO is more appropriate. ;-)

by Ruger1 on 15 January 2013 - 14:01
Hi Bee,,
I don't want laws telling me I can not own a gun because so and so behaves badly with their gun.
.If some want to be told by their government what they are and are not allowed to do then America might not be the best country for them..
Less then perfect mothers do not cause children to behave like Lonza ; ``or I would suspect we would ALL be behaving like Lonza~~Lonza had "issues"..figuring out what they were is the key!!..If Lanza's mother did not own guns he would have obtained them another way..The gun is passive in the crime,,People are the problem..
Just my humble opinion..
I don't want laws telling me I can not own a gun because so and so behaves badly with their gun.

Less then perfect mothers do not cause children to behave like Lonza ; ``or I would suspect we would ALL be behaving like Lonza~~Lonza had "issues"..figuring out what they were is the key!!..If Lanza's mother did not own guns he would have obtained them another way..The gun is passive in the crime,,People are the problem..
Just my humble opinion..
by beetree on 15 January 2013 - 14:01
Thanks for your response Ruger1. I am your polar opposite in beliefs, it would seem. I do not think of the mom as "less than perfect". I think of it like someone who knows their dog bites and then makes excuses for when it happens. This is not a personal comment! Just an illustration point that we both can relate to is my hope?
I think we need to take out the black and white arguments too, or the real problem will never be addressed. And yes, I do think the ease of stealing from a relative does make a difference to the accessabilty... and the CHOICE of weaponry. If Mom had collected blunderbusses, his plan would have been worked out differently, I am guessing. As is what we can only do at this time, all of us.
Joanro.....for you!

Can you hear my thoughts to you... saying over and over...beetree is right, beetree is right, beetree is right......
I think we need to take out the black and white arguments too, or the real problem will never be addressed. And yes, I do think the ease of stealing from a relative does make a difference to the accessabilty... and the CHOICE of weaponry. If Mom had collected blunderbusses, his plan would have been worked out differently, I am guessing. As is what we can only do at this time, all of us.
Joanro.....for you!

Can you hear my thoughts to you... saying over and over...beetree is right, beetree is right, beetree is right......

by Ninja181 on 15 January 2013 - 14:01
When the Supreme court ruled on sodomy, they more or less said the Government doesn't belong in the bedroom of two consulting adults.
Well they don't belong in my gun cabinet either.
They don't belong in my kitchen telling me what to eat or drink.
They don't belong controlling my thermostat.
And I don't need them at the car dealership telling me what to drive.
Well they don't belong in my gun cabinet either.
They don't belong in my kitchen telling me what to eat or drink.
They don't belong controlling my thermostat.
And I don't need them at the car dealership telling me what to drive.

by Ruger1 on 15 January 2013 - 15:01
Ha!!..Why did you have to go and bring my
whiddle Princey boy into this ugly mess!! 
I don't think your example fits Bee,,Prince is a animal who I will always be responsibly for; not so with children. Human beings will always give account for their own actions in this life and the next..Even our laws recognize this personal responsibility when we each turn 18 and even sooner in some cases..Unless I missed the news brief I didn't know we could kennel our kids while at work all day..I would imagine it would save some parents TONS in daycare!!...
You and me polar opposite!! No WAY! say it ain't so..


I don't think your example fits Bee,,Prince is a animal who I will always be responsibly for; not so with children. Human beings will always give account for their own actions in this life and the next..Even our laws recognize this personal responsibility when we each turn 18 and even sooner in some cases..Unless I missed the news brief I didn't know we could kennel our kids while at work all day..I would imagine it would save some parents TONS in daycare!!...
You and me polar opposite!! No WAY! say it ain't so..
by joanro on 15 January 2013 - 15:01
Bee, I'm immune. ;-)
by beetree on 15 January 2013 - 15:01
Ruger1,
I don't see how else we are going to discuss the dog bite relevence, without it based on hearsay. So that said, a close friend of the mom has said the killer's mom made her living decisions and work decisions based on being with her son. I am considering as well, any situation going beyond what is legally a parents responsibility. I am going with what this mother knew, period, about a dangerous person.
P.S. ... I said not personal ..... and you brought up darling Prince....not me!
I don't see how else we are going to discuss the dog bite relevence, without it based on hearsay. So that said, a close friend of the mom has said the killer's mom made her living decisions and work decisions based on being with her son. I am considering as well, any situation going beyond what is legally a parents responsibility. I am going with what this mother knew, period, about a dangerous person.
P.S. ... I said not personal ..... and you brought up darling Prince....not me!


by Ruger1 on 15 January 2013 - 16:01
lol,,
Ok, I am going to make a huge assumption and say that the mother might have known her son was mentally ill and needed more then the average supervision, but dangerous is entirely a diferent story..Most parents don't even regognize their child as being a brat
let alone being a killer."..She also left knives, forks, bats, matches, ect, ect, in the house too,,Now what??..Should we put people in boxes away from anything and everything that could be used as a weapon..
Ok, I am going to make a huge assumption and say that the mother might have known her son was mentally ill and needed more then the average supervision, but dangerous is entirely a diferent story..Most parents don't even regognize their child as being a brat

by joanro on 15 January 2013 - 16:01
Ruger, as to putting people in boxes, would seem appropriate for some...and six feet under.
I did a search for serial killers. Was going to put it here, but it was too horrific. Anyway, of the most notorious, only one used a gun and most killed tens like fourty or more over a period of years. That is terrorism and all their victims were as dead and more mutilated than anyone shot with a high caliber gun. They just didn't do it all at one time like the mass murderers do. They spread their terror out over years, so I guess people don't get the horror all at once and therefore less shocking.
How is gun control going to end that madness?
I did a search for serial killers. Was going to put it here, but it was too horrific. Anyway, of the most notorious, only one used a gun and most killed tens like fourty or more over a period of years. That is terrorism and all their victims were as dead and more mutilated than anyone shot with a high caliber gun. They just didn't do it all at one time like the mass murderers do. They spread their terror out over years, so I guess people don't get the horror all at once and therefore less shocking.
How is gun control going to end that madness?
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