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by VomMarischal on 16 February 2010 - 01:02
Jim, I just tore out the guest bedroom and turned that into a big crate, with storage for training equipment! Next, I hope to have a drainage hole drilled in the middle of the floor.
by BabyEagle4U on 16 February 2010 - 02:02
That's pretty cool Oli with the Front Sight adverts on this thread.
That's the best in the USA !!!!!
That's the best in the USA !!!!!
by 4pack on 16 February 2010 - 02:02
Can't say one way or the other but I will say, I carry a knife in my purse and have since I started carrying a purse (in High School) I was a child/minor, never used it criminally or brandished it foolishly, to have it taken away. Not sure a kid can carry a pocket knife of any size these days, on school grounds but their was a size limit back in my day. My husband carried one at school as well, it's in his pocket always, not as a weapon but as a tool. Shoot some of the kids even had shots guns in the back window of their trucks in the parking lot.
by CrysBuck25 on 17 February 2010 - 03:02
You know, 4pack, back in the eighties here in North Idaho, when my hubby was in High School, during hunting season there might be three hundred rifles in lockers in the school or in the rigs in the parking lot...Guess what? Never a school shooting, bomb threat, or anything. Of course, those good old boys grew up with guns, and viewed them as simply another tool, not as a novelty toy. They knew how to hit what they shot at, knew how to clean their guns, load their guns, etc. There was no novelty thrill in guns; they'd been shooting since they were four, five, six years old, and so they recognized how to be responsible with the guns they carried. Like Davren said...If you grow up with something, used to using it, and working with it, it's no big deal. Remove the novelty of it, and there's much less risk of anything bad happening.
Steve, cars are just as dangerous as guns, but we give even the dumbest people driver's licenses..
Crys
Steve, cars are just as dangerous as guns, but we give even the dumbest people driver's licenses..
Crys
by 4pack on 17 February 2010 - 03:02
We are so used to having our knives on us, we forget they are even there. I got my purse scanned to get into the court house to get my marriage lic. and said oops, I guess I'll let you hold that till I come back out. LOL It's just there, like my wallet or compact. Security was cool, they even wanted to look at it closer. It'd shaped like a feather with the head of an Eagle at the end, quite pretty.
Your right about people, kids especially. Make it taboo and they want it worse. Make it an everyday thing and they could care less. What other reason explains why more kids under 21 wanna drink?
Your right about people, kids especially. Make it taboo and they want it worse. Make it an everyday thing and they could care less. What other reason explains why more kids under 21 wanna drink?
by Avery Hill Kennels on 17 February 2010 - 06:02
Slamdunc, If a civilian decided to kill two police officers a year starting when he was twenty and killed two officers a year until he was say seventy five(retirement age) would that be insignificant to your police department? Given that that is ONLY two officers killed every ten years which I am sure is a low estimate given the amount of officers employed by well,will say Virginia in total counting all city,county,and state police in the line of duty? Over the course of some fifty years that is only about eight to ten officers over that course of time hardly an amount to get up-set about or believe that something should change. Or would your police department be outraged over the VERY first incident and rally to take this perpetrator down? My point is what you are calling a low ball number which very well maybe, you are saying look at the numbers and it is just really insignificant given all data. Well I say the same could be said about said situation above! Its just the shoes on the different foot. I think with this situation I have listed above is (to me) the same as the k-9 incident in this thread. Neither should ever happen and not even once and for you to so cavalierly brush this off as LOOK at the number the same can be said about story above.I could go on and on with analogies that fit this criteria but I believe the above states its best. If zero tolerance for civilian mistakes I believe an officer of the law should be held to same standard if not higher!!!
by steve1 on 17 February 2010 - 11:02
Bob-O
Thank you. it will give me some idea, i think where my problem lies is that i am an Englishman living in Belgium. i cannot see that is can make a difference by have been told it does, but not how is makes a problem of it The Belgians are nice people but they never explain fully when asked any question why i do not know but that is what i have found to be so todate Anyway having not had a reply to my PM from the one who i was visting i do not know if it is still on I must get in touch again in case the mail was never read
Steve1
Thank you. it will give me some idea, i think where my problem lies is that i am an Englishman living in Belgium. i cannot see that is can make a difference by have been told it does, but not how is makes a problem of it The Belgians are nice people but they never explain fully when asked any question why i do not know but that is what i have found to be so todate Anyway having not had a reply to my PM from the one who i was visting i do not know if it is still on I must get in touch again in case the mail was never read
Steve1
by Slamdunc on 17 February 2010 - 16:02
AveryHill,
You missed my point entirely. I was referring to the fact that posters commented that this happens all of the time. Like a Police K9 getting loose and biting a child is a common occurrence. I just want to be accurate. It is a tragic story and a tragic event, no doubt. But, it is a relatively rare event in the US and I wanted to hear some valid points as to how often it actually happens.
Your analogy makes little or no sense to me. Please go back and read what I said. I wasn't cavalier about the incident. But the comment that you and another person posted about it happening all of the time, is incorrect. I made a joke about having indoor kennels, because I found that statement off the wall. I actually have two 6'x6' kennels set up in my garage. And 3 outdoor runs that are 6'x20' with dog houses set outside the kennels and drains in the concrete. My yard is fenced by a 6' foot privacy fence and the gates are kept locked.
This is a horrible story, I hope we get all of the details on how the dog got loose and what the kids were doing. But anyone who owns a dog must be diligent and not let their dog run loose. That goes with out saying. For a LEO with a Police K9 I agree the standard should be higher. I make every effort to ensure my dogs including my K9 do not get loose. I can tell you that the liability I have in taking my K9 home every night is a lot higher than yours with your pet dogs, so the standard is much higher and the responsibility is greater. However, all of my dogs are treated the same and I have always had a high standard even before being in K9. It is called responsibility, something that every dog owners needs regardless of occupation or breed of dog.
Back to my original point, it doesn't happen as much as you would like to make others believe. Is once too often, yes. Should children or anyone be bitten by anyones loose dog, especially a police dog of course not. You have not convinced me that this is not a rare occurrence. Tragic and sad in this case for the dog, but still a rare event. I am willing to bet that many more people are struck by lightning each year than bitten by stray Police K9's.
JMO FWIW,
Jim
You missed my point entirely. I was referring to the fact that posters commented that this happens all of the time. Like a Police K9 getting loose and biting a child is a common occurrence. I just want to be accurate. It is a tragic story and a tragic event, no doubt. But, it is a relatively rare event in the US and I wanted to hear some valid points as to how often it actually happens.
Your analogy makes little or no sense to me. Please go back and read what I said. I wasn't cavalier about the incident. But the comment that you and another person posted about it happening all of the time, is incorrect. I made a joke about having indoor kennels, because I found that statement off the wall. I actually have two 6'x6' kennels set up in my garage. And 3 outdoor runs that are 6'x20' with dog houses set outside the kennels and drains in the concrete. My yard is fenced by a 6' foot privacy fence and the gates are kept locked.
This is a horrible story, I hope we get all of the details on how the dog got loose and what the kids were doing. But anyone who owns a dog must be diligent and not let their dog run loose. That goes with out saying. For a LEO with a Police K9 I agree the standard should be higher. I make every effort to ensure my dogs including my K9 do not get loose. I can tell you that the liability I have in taking my K9 home every night is a lot higher than yours with your pet dogs, so the standard is much higher and the responsibility is greater. However, all of my dogs are treated the same and I have always had a high standard even before being in K9. It is called responsibility, something that every dog owners needs regardless of occupation or breed of dog.
Back to my original point, it doesn't happen as much as you would like to make others believe. Is once too often, yes. Should children or anyone be bitten by anyones loose dog, especially a police dog of course not. You have not convinced me that this is not a rare occurrence. Tragic and sad in this case for the dog, but still a rare event. I am willing to bet that many more people are struck by lightning each year than bitten by stray Police K9's.
JMO FWIW,
Jim
by GSDSRULE on 17 February 2010 - 16:02
In my case, I was saying I have read numerous times of k-9's being let out, murdered , etc., not just dogs getting out and biting.
I'm saying crate these dogs indoors, or kennel in a garage or building and at the VERY LEAST, have locks on the gates.
How many times does this have to happen before simple precautions are taken?
Taxpayers have a big investment in these dogs, and to leave them in outdoor, unlocked kennels for perps to turn loose or kill is stupid.
I'm saying crate these dogs indoors, or kennel in a garage or building and at the VERY LEAST, have locks on the gates.
How many times does this have to happen before simple precautions are taken?
Taxpayers have a big investment in these dogs, and to leave them in outdoor, unlocked kennels for perps to turn loose or kill is stupid.
by Mindhunt on 17 February 2010 - 17:02
CrysBuck25, I am laughing over your comment because I remember those days. The school principal came out to look at the new hunting rifle a kid got the weekend before. It was accepted and everyone was taught respect; for humans, animals, and property.
The big problem now is many kids are not taught respect and responsibility. Violence is a way of life to many and there are little or no consequences for behavior, either good for good behavior or bad for bad. Cop killers get the most respect in prison. Video games are brought into real life play and the kids aren't taught the difference. My biggy is so many kids are drugged on prescription psychiatric medications now. My son's kindergarten class had over 50% if the kids on some kind of medication. Psychiatrists are even saying that infants can be screened for bipolar disorders and started on medications young. Conduct Disorder can start at any age as can Oppositional Defiance Disorder. The second is a more serious form of the first. "A recurrent pattern of negativistic, defiant, disobedient, and hostile behavior toward authority figures .....". You can find the rest in the DSM-IV-TR. That definition fits most teenagers at one time or another. What ever happened to talking to your kids and teaching them morals and responsibility? How about disciplining them appropriately for misbehaving. My husband always said he had two words for children and animals...BOUNDARIES and CONSEQUENCES (good or bad).
As for dogs being left out, mine are never left outside unless someone in my family has them under direct supervision. When kenneled, they are locked indoors in my garage kennels. I would love to have the room for kennels like yours Slamdunc.
The big problem now is many kids are not taught respect and responsibility. Violence is a way of life to many and there are little or no consequences for behavior, either good for good behavior or bad for bad. Cop killers get the most respect in prison. Video games are brought into real life play and the kids aren't taught the difference. My biggy is so many kids are drugged on prescription psychiatric medications now. My son's kindergarten class had over 50% if the kids on some kind of medication. Psychiatrists are even saying that infants can be screened for bipolar disorders and started on medications young. Conduct Disorder can start at any age as can Oppositional Defiance Disorder. The second is a more serious form of the first. "A recurrent pattern of negativistic, defiant, disobedient, and hostile behavior toward authority figures .....". You can find the rest in the DSM-IV-TR. That definition fits most teenagers at one time or another. What ever happened to talking to your kids and teaching them morals and responsibility? How about disciplining them appropriately for misbehaving. My husband always said he had two words for children and animals...BOUNDARIES and CONSEQUENCES (good or bad).
As for dogs being left out, mine are never left outside unless someone in my family has them under direct supervision. When kenneled, they are locked indoors in my garage kennels. I would love to have the room for kennels like yours Slamdunc.
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