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For all those who claim thes was a training issue rather than a bad dog, please consider this:

In a real life situation you are attacked by an assailant who is much stronger/bigger than you.
Your dog proceeds to rip you up because you are the "weaker of the two".

In my book I would not fault the owner for subsequently  providing the dog with a new home -  perhaps with one of the many apologists who always look to blame a person when a sub-par dog does an unforgivable thing.

Of course this imo

WOW ........ great thread .......... really sorts out the trainers from the non-trainers.  Sounds like a ill thought out training scenario that ended with a targeting problem.  I have a 6 year old show line male that is very "bonded" to me. He isn't what I would call a hard dog by any stretch of the imagination ............ yet I would think long and hard about setting up this kind of situation for the very reason that started this thread.    Although I think I'd stop moving and I know he would out .......... so probably less than 80 stitches.

Sher

Thanks Denise.

i did something like this with my old SHOW line male.
had him since he was a baby, he was my best friend.
there was a bond as there is with all of my dogs.

i believe that is the problem that happened to cause this (JMO) not enough bonding
 
i did it with Cliff Benjamin.
 had my dog in a stay command inside of my car. windows down

i walk down a field into a "GROUP" of people
cliff (the bad guy)
grabbed me ,
my dog saw this, broke his stay,
jumped out my window and attacked   "JUST"   Cliff.
  

 Quote:For all those who claim thes was a training issue rather than a bad dog, please consider this:

In a real life situation you are attacked by an assailant who is much stronger/bigger than you.
Your dog proceeds to rip you up because you are the "weaker of the two".

In my book I would not fault the owner for subsequently  providing the dog with a new home -  perhaps with one of the many apologists who always look to blame a person when a sub-par dog does an unforgivable thing.

Of course this imo 

After you see dog after dog do the same thing, you start to realize how many people have a Walt Disney view of dogs, and how after seeing the dog go after the the guy on the bottom after all these people have told you your whole life that "MY dog will protect me" You realize they are full of shit.

To those of you that believe that their "special" bond is gonna make a difference, sorry. You HAVE to train for this before you can open your mouth and talk about it. If you haven't trained for it, then my suggestion is that you go and train for it, and watch how the dog banks off you with a muzzle, cause you are not winning. LOL

 Harley. More than likely your decoy made sure that he was the one that got bit. Were you both standing ??? And the decoy was more between you and your dog ???? AND the guy had a sleeve on ???

Put a muzzle on the dog, and have a guy push you to the ground. Then someone releases the dog and see who gets bashed. LOL Without training it is the guy on the bottom.

Trafalgar ......... I don't know how many dogs you've trained but  here's the problem IMO ............... in a real life situation where a dog has not been trained in civil bites ........... 9 times out of 10 a stable dog will do nothing ....... maybe bark ............ maybe nip a little ............ but more often than not a good dog .......hard or soft ....... schutzhund trained or not ......... will do nothing.  And they certainly would not form and immediate pack with a stranger.  We all want to believe that our dogs would save us at any cost ........ but that's just not always the case.   And before everyone jumps on this please note I said 9 times out of 10 and then think of all the dogs you've had.  

Jeff, oh goody! I get to disagree with you; this doesn't happen very often. Just Wednesday I had Caleb wearing a muzzle in my living room...I was on the bottom....in front, just about everywhere in lots of different scenarios, both muzzled and not. When I was on the bottom, he was even careful where he stepped...I received not one hit. Was I winning and just didn't realize it? Little 5'3" me? I am such a badass.

yes we were standing, and yes he was in front of me so the dog would get him,you are 100% right TRAINING!!!
 
we also did muzzle work with that dog.i was never on the ground but i can't see my dog ever biting me because i am on the bottom with someone on top  attacking me!

come to think of it that scenario was done a few months ago with Palma muzzled,  my trainer   (dominic donovan,i know that's a whole other thread LOL)
 threw me on the couch,
so he was on top of me and she was on top of him, actually smashing the top of his head with her muzzle on!!!!!! 

my point is MY dogs know the bad guy from me, as i would hope all of our dogs would UNLESS they have no respect for you or are not bonded.