The GSD must SPLIT away from The Alsation!

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by missbeeb on 18 January 2009 - 21:01

That's right, EQ.

by Liebe on 18 January 2009 - 21:01

I have just emailed the Kennel Club and asked them how we will be able to compete internationally with different breed standards and how this will affect international judges coming here and judging.

by Alyson R on 18 January 2009 - 22:01

Actually no, guys, Southern Counties had Israeli judge Eva Oster, Liv Evjen (Sweden(?)) in W & P Breeds of Scotland, a Belgian judge in Southern Counties (sorry but can't remember his name - think it was Pollet) a few years earlier. The first two are breed specialists belonging to WUSV approved clubs. M Pollet is, I believe an all rounder but judges GSDs at specialist level in Belgium

by CAROL on 18 January 2009 - 22:01

It will also occur with other breeds, with not only foreign judges coming over but foreign dogs. There is a big increase in foreign dogs at our championship shows and CRUFTS (I am talking about other breeds here). I dont know how many breed standards the KC intend to change but it could have a major knock on effect.

by Liebe on 18 January 2009 - 22:01

Alyson and Carol I quite agree, and as for other breeds with my daft Corgi I was showing under a european judge at the Welsh KC show last summer. At the moment the Corgi is left alone but I am sure it is a matter of time before changes are implemented. The GSD has numbers on its side when comared to the Cardi Corgi which has such small numbers in the show rings. But the KC shouldnt be allowed to dictate breed standards in the way that they currently are.

Breed standards should be exactly that "standards" which are global and leave a level field for everyone. All breeds will have variations within it and personal preferences which will be as a result of personal interpretation of the standard. This is apparent by listening at an all breed ring craft training session I attend by hearing comments from people who show different breeds and those who judge them.

In our favour I'm not sure of the dog's name but Peter Jolley who judged our christmas show was extremely complementary about the GSD who had been competing internationally at the mixed breed shows and doing very well.

by Alyson R on 18 January 2009 - 22:01

But I was actually thinking about our Breed Specialist shows - will we have the KC Police out at our shows, perhaps with spirit level in hand, measuring angles, assessing backlines and seeing if anyone deviates from these judging directives? And what happens if any judge dares to disagree with those in Clarges street who know so much about our breed ?
(Incidentally EQ ALL judges are "accredited" by the KC - at the all-breed shows -like the breed specialist shows- the committees are responsible for selecting judges)

by Liebe on 18 January 2009 - 22:01

I have been told that all judges at Crufts are going to be taken aside each morning prior to judging to be reminded about what they should be judging etc. and that all characters etc., must be taken into account when making their decisions for placing dogs. It will be interesting to see whether this talk will stand for much when the dogs get in the rings.

I expect that at many shows judges will do much like they have done for years. I've read critiques stating things like good temperment and sound in mind when in fact the dog has been quite obviously nervous when the judge put their hands on the dog for their individual.

by SitasMom on 18 January 2009 - 23:01

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/classifieds/66987.html

I don't care if this is a GSD or Alsation, I like this dog and he is accomplished too!

by Penny on 18 January 2009 - 23:01

Know what? The K.C. wouldnt know a GSD or an Alsation if they saw one in their street.... as long as the registration money and any other money keeps piling in, then they are happy bunnies. They have moved to please the TV presenters - but not to please either the breeders / exhibitors or the welfare of the dogs on either side of the fancy.. If they had the welfare of the GSd/Als at heart, then they would only register from hip scored stock etc wouldnt they?

It is clear from above positngs that the Alsationists and the GSD enthusiasts agree on one thing - their breed is different to the other.. so lets ALL UNITE and get them split for once and all. I certainly dont want to go to a show where it will be painful to watch as the animals dont conform to the international correct standard.... and I would think that the people that enter those shows would certainly not want to come to the British Seiger or anything like it.... come to think of it - are there any Alsationists out there that do Sch.H. work? Only asking !

Time for a change South Africa havent looked back have they? Couldnt we now get some good solid basis of costs - and other considerations that would have to be thought of and put in place, and perhaps a few willing volunteers with the right knoweldge and passion to go forward to hold the first meeting to discuss with any interested parties.?

by Videx on 19 January 2009 - 11:01

An excellent post Mo:

UNITY on this issue will bring huge benefits to the GSD here in the UK. Our breed must be run by our breed enthusiasts, NOT the faceless one in the Kennel Club. Our GSD PARTNERSHIP is the rightful organisation to "take over" responsibility for the GSD in Britain.

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