The decline of the German Shepherd character - Page 84

Frankly I'd rather dive head first into a pool of my own vomit rather that post a video here of a SL that has earned titles. 

My last V rated at the German Sieger GSD - SCH3 IPO3 VPG3 PT UD OAP OJPC AXP AXJP CGC TC KKL1

This dog has has produced 3 litters and 4 generations of titled dogs  including 3 IPO3's, 3 IPO2's, 4 IPO1's, 11 CD's, 9 CDX's, 4 UD's, 1 UDX. 1 UDX1, 1 UDX2, 7 rally titles, 29 agility titles, 3 AKC CH, 1 AKC Grand CH, 1 Best Puppy in a GSDCA specialty, 1 UKC CH, 7 BH's, 8 AD's, 10 CGC's, 1 TD, 1 VCD1, 1 VCD2, 1 OM1, 4 KKL1. 5 TC's 1 Hearing Service Dog, 2 GSDCA Dual Award winners, 2 GSDCA Dual Award Excellent winners and 4 have earned the GSDC PAM award for earning advanced OB titles. Many are V rated. None are crap GSL dogs. 

@blitzen: i utterly agree. however, dumping over gustav's excellent and rather inclusive post with a flippant one-liner with no experience, expertise, or accomplishments to speak off in either wl or sl is imo uncalled for and rather audacious. as such, i am truly interested what motivates a person to consistently, invariably, and inevitably postulate opinion and presuppose fact without even the slightest credibility to back it up. my disdain for such a course of conduct, as well as curiosity in the motivational aspects of such conduct, btw, has absolutely nothing to do with sl, wl, asl, etc. if some car racing enthusiast with not experience whatsoever except for reading up on a couple laws of thermodynamics went out and told experienced racers and wind tunnel engineers on how to build their race cars  invoking hess and clausius to the letter, i'd be equally appalled by the indignity as well as interested what makes that person tick. 

Sure. it's never about working vs show, is it bebo? Did you even read the posts to this thread? Shall I copy some of it here?  It's always about working doing a great job and showlines ruining the breed. Then when someone with showlines lines calls them on it, it gets all spun around to try to make us look petty.We might like showlines, but we are not stupid or indignant.. Why do you think hardly any showline people post here anymore? Do you care?

 Ibrahim was not flippant or arrogant in his response to Cliff. Ask Cliff how he felt about it. If Cliff felt Ibrahim was out of line, I am sure he will offer his heartfelt apology to him.

Some examples, bebo:

If your talking about dogs that are worth breeding vs what a SL is I guess they would appear to be "super". 

but seriously about propaganda of SV, do you know how many people I meet that bought a showline shepherd and are dissopointed afterwards because they are nothing like Rin tin tin or Commisar Rex

I dont have a problem with show dogs at all, but cancel the bitework and stop pretending and run in the showring hapily ever after 

but, but, I've got $xxxx.xx dollars tied up this beautiful V rated sch. titled GSD.  She is too narrow in vaginal tract to breed naturally so I need to A.I. She missed a couple of times so I probably need to put her on a small dose of thyroid meds. Probably need to plan on c-section because she is so narrow. But if all goes well I should make a bundle.

"hess and clausius " what do you know of their work?

Bebo you are posting out of ignorance.

Does anyone know anything about Bebo's background? 

     Speaks 20 languages, Rocket scientist, Doctor of letters, Philanthropist, All around good guy, stars in the Dos Equis commercials, 

Stay thirsty, my friend 

     I hope that Bebo is just unaware of the history of posts between Ibrahim and Gustav. The responses Bebo directed toward Ibrahim are uncalled for and disturbing. I appreciate Ibrahim's participation in these threads, I view Ibrahim as a pioneer for the breed. Ibrahim has formed an opinion of the breed free from the prejudices most of us have, I believe he honestly considers the different points of view and weighs objectively if they are true. All his disagreements are respectful and sincere, we would all do well to follow his example.