Max would Cry - Page 8

bee tree - Bav did make good points about the failings in the USA which is exactly Americans doing their own thing. Also,my last sentence was not meant as a compliment but a statement of fact and I am not backing out of anything.

Mackenzie

Yup...each person/breeder has their own standards and they're all higher than whatever the SV, KNPV, RSV2000, or other organizations can come up with...yet for some reason we're constantly importing dogs from Europe for working venues.

People for some reason expect the tiny minority to keep the working ability of the GSD alive and well without needing to go anywhere else...and it's impossible to do so. Even those people that have done it right and imposed SV standards onto themselves eventually stop and just breed without standards as they can get the same amount for the dogs while investing way less into them. I've seen countless breeders stop testing dogs and just expecting the pedigree to make working dogs...yet somehow most working dogs in this country are still imported from countries that require breeding standards.

The small spots on that dog are known as ticking. Many breeds can have ticking spots from Pointers to Border Collies. From what I've seen there is nothing wrong with the Panda mutation GSDs. In fact a few have become Police dogs in recent years, so they had to pass health testing. I have no clue why color is such an issue these days. Like with the "white shepherds", my grandma on my dad's side bred them for years til she got too old, and other than a few problems with aggression they were very healthy dogs. The whites are not true whites anyways but full solid silvers and creams. They might look white but DNA testing says otherwise. They are just the lightest shades of black, red, and fawn. And the white that is an issue is albino white. Albino dogs have pink skin under their fur, pink noses and light blue eyes. Silver and creams have black noses and brown eyes with grey or tan skin. Some of the dogs will appear to have a pink rose, but it's red and shows the dog is red based. Just think of it like how red Pit Bulls can have red noses.

So, only albino whites and merles colors are known for color linked health problems. Many albinos either die in the womb or even after birth from all the health issues they have. Others live very short lives from all the health issues they have. And as far as I know albino whites and merles have not been seen in GSDs in many years, other dog breeds from Great Danes to Australian Shepherds however suffer from breeding albinos and merles. It should be illegal to breed two dogs with those colors together as it is a guarantee the puppies will suffer. There have been a few dogs said to be merle GSDs in recent history, but no DNA testing was done to confirm they were in fact full GSDs.

Blue, Isabella/lilac, and chocolate/liver in GSDs are also said to have health issues linked to the colors, yet health tests on such dogs say otherwise. It's funny how people are claiming a color is tied to bad health, yet there are plenty of scientists that have proven those colors do not carry any problems. The show breeders just dislike the colors and are being color racists. I always imagine them some day putting up signs at GSD dog shows saying "Red or tans with black saddles and masks only!" Like how there use to be "Whites Only, No Colored!" signs all over. Seems like all the other colors, even the original sables, solid blacks, and bi-colors that helped make the breed, are being hated by show GSD breeders and show people in general. So Max would cry alright. He'd cry about how the current show GSDs look nothing like the breed he founded. His breed was straight backed, stock/smooth coated, had a thin build, long legs, wolf like heads, came in a wide variety of colors/patterns as well. Now we have sloped backs, the original coat types plus a silky long haired (Which he would really hate as it tangles bad.), big boned builds, shorter legs, mastiff like heads, and only a few colors allowed on breed standard. Max would die all over again if he saw how a show GSD's rear can touch the ground... while the dog was standing up! I cry seeing that. Wish I could forget ever seeing that even. Eye bleach.

And the Americans will continue to do their own thing. Some better than others. Without needing squat from the Mackenzies, I might add. That's also fact.

I don't get North American (Canadians and Americans) all breed dog show people. In general Americans have a weird patriotism problem. Mike Myers was genius when he spoofed it on SNL via his Scottish character. If its not Scottish its crap! I'm also a Rottweiler person. Germany banned tail docking in the 1990's. Now that some Canadian provinces like BC have banned tail docking as well. There is tons of breeders that make the statement that they follow the American standard and dock tails. In general Americans have the same mentality, if its American by god its the best!

In both GSD's and Rottweiler's. If I see one foo foo show name in the pedigree or even offspring they produced. I won't get a dog from them period!

beetree - you are quite right in saying that some Americans do better than others and I have not said anything otherwise. The ones that do the right thing are the ones that follow the rules that govern this breed and are accepted by most of the world. Please explain why the Americans think that they know better and that the rules do not apply to them. For those that do not try to follow the rules and breed to the Breed Standard explain why they think that the rules should be changed to suit them. The American way is not and never will be the only way in everything in peoples lives. The USA is not beyond constructive criticism even when it is contrary to the Americans doing their own thing. Patriotism is fine but sometimes clouds plain forward common sense.

Mackenzie

@ Mackenzie -

Many breeds can have ticking spots from Pointers to Border Collies. From what I've seen there is nothing wrong with the Panda mutation GSDs.

Lunastar, you obviously have NOT read this whole thread! The Panda gene is LETHAL in its homozygous form. If you cross Panda with Panda, statistically 50% of the offspring will fail to develop and die in the womb. 

I don't know about you, but to me that makes it ethically WRONG to breed these dogs.

You say some Pandas have been certified as police dogs. Can you show us proof, please? Are they narc/bomb dogs or street patrol dogs?

It's also lethal to breed merle to merle and harlequinn to harlequinn. It's even lethal to breed a hairless Xoloitzcuintli to another hairless Xoloitzcuintli. Should the breeds with these colors, and also a breed that's been around since the Aztecs, be eliminated?

(I'm just arguing to argue because debating is fun. Feel free to ignore me.)

I would be happy to expound on my POV, right after Hundmutter explains the difference between patriotism and Anglophile.