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vk, appreicate the well-wishing. But all peckers came from somewhere, whether a post-op pecker, pecker to pecker transplant, or -- what you've got -- the good old plastic pecker from pic'n'save. That's your reality :)

@lawhyno

Would old style Czeck dogs still be consider old style if they were crossed to other lines? Are there still Czech breeders who rarely goes out of their kennesl for breeding?

Duke,

I didn't get the quote right, trying to quote another member while on the iPhone is never good. I should have waited until I could reread the part I used. It was Susie who said German lines and not working west German dogs were/are being used.

Hans,

I am sorry you are biased to your self for yourself. I was always taught that this could lead to kennel blindness amongst other things.

I have an issue with you labeling me publicly as being biased against you and all I did was speak the truth. We have all sold things whether it be a car, dog or anything in life. You publicly state here and on your web "NO PERSONAL ATTACKS" allowed on your site but you find it okay to come here and personally attack me. Do you see an issue here? I sure hope so as I have no dog in this fight, I am not your competitor and I have never owned one of your dogs but you have a forum that you own, pretty funny you labeling me as being biased.

lawhyno,

I am not putting you down in the least because you want your reality, have it but don't tell any of us we can't have our own opinions because it rains on someones parade. I didn't get personal in any way shape or form. I see it as marketing and it would be no different than any company marketing there product. This isn't a put down at all.

I would say you might just have a wooden pecker with those lines.

 

I don't know a breeder who absolutely refuses to go out of kennel for breeding but there are definitely purists who want to stay true to Czech lines. 

 

@GSD admin
I get it. I agree. And I laughed at the wooden pecker. 

What I said Kim was, I have never see YOU in any of the videos   

Joapro train, breed, work dogs then offer insight on something beside coat tail riding 

1. I hope no one minds me asking this, because this thread refers to Jinopo dogs/practices. There is a lot of confusion as to what "old style czech" dogs means. Hans has explained that on this board in his inmitable way, something about czech spirit, culture, values amongst other things in addition to certain dog attributes. What confuses me is that he has also commented that Jiri thinks that the current dogs are better than the old dogs. If so, why would one want old style czech dogs ?..., unless the current dogs being bred are "old style" ?.

2. Based on what little I know, with all the west lines being bred into czech dogs, it would appear that not all lines are "old style",  is that so. Which lines from Jinopo are to be considered "old style" ?. On a general level, one hears a lot about the mythical breeders which breed old style czech dogs. Yet everytime, the question is asked, who they might be, the answer is you have to know where to look.

3. Can anyone name any lines, breeders that would qualify as "old style".

Hoping Hans and other knowledgeable people will respond.

Guddu, it i not so easy to say this and that breeder, to give you an example, last week I was testing dogs for police and tested a GSD that can be labeled old style   100%  I was very impressed and asked to see the pedigree and saw he fitted right in my lines as he was 100 % classic lines as well, while the other dogs of this breeder where more sporty and were bred over west sport lines
obviously I bought him for myself, will say he is all I look for in a dog, but to say if you look for old style dogs this is the breeder to go to , the answer is no

also when visiting some ZVV3 competitions and Tart competitions I run into some great dogs and they are coming over som lines not too familiar with everybody, and different from the ones you will run into in the IPO competitions

Than the most important matter in my opinion, is how are these dogs used in breeding, what are they matched with, Im a believer of sorting out each combination individually, as every femle is different, so every female needs different male to get best outcome, so to bring every breedable female to a old style czech dog will get you nothing  or at best like with any famous stud, if there is enough offspring, there will be some good ones around



 

Duke, so you are saying that some breedings can produce old style dogs. Is there any possibility to post the dog's pedigree. I think its important for breeder's and knowledgeable persons to post such pedigrees/dogs so that one may know the general direction where one needs to look for when searching for the old style dogs. I do think that many czech/slovak kennels produce good dogs, but sitting here in the US...its all very mysterious.

I would say these are my favorite examples. Because they have produced in the right combinations dogs that suit me.
Gero Chemelovy
Car pod molnosskou
Cordon An-Sat
Ori z danaru
Furo Kamos
Mambo
Old style or not they are my style
Hank