Preparing for what's coming, from a Christian Perspective - Page 8

Wow, the arrogance of some astounds me.

FWIW, someones education in Theology means SQUAT to me.  I know a minister who is quite intelligent by mans standards, who never knew CHRIST until 20 years after he became a minister.

You can go to school for years, know the Bible off by heart, but without the Holy Spirit, you will have learned NOTHING.

NUFF said.

the arrogance of some astounds me.

Yes, I think many of us have been astounded at some of the ignorance forwarded here as sound doctrine with absolutely no basis.
 

someones education in Theology means SQUAT to me.

Shocker.  You miss the point.  I have a sibling with a Ph.D. in theology from a prestigious Catholic University, who reads and writes in Koine and Hebrew, but whom I would not seek for a theological opinion based on ideological differences.  What it does mean, is that you DO seek such as source within your own ideology, and if one does not exist after thousands of years, you had better be the Ph.D. yourself if you wish to publicly endorse it as "truth".  Otherwise, you may as well be Jim Jones or David Koresh.
 

but without the Holy Spirit, you will have learned NOTHING.

...and what of those who may lay claim to the former, though clearly they forward heretical teaching in light of scripture? 

 Red Sable,,,Sorry, but no that's not "e-NUFF.".,,

Of course you want to believe that because it's necessary for those uneducated in Biblical Theology to excuse themselves for it,, ,When people say all that is needed is the Holy Spirit it usually is a cope out for their lack of formal education and also accountability by their peers,,  ,,But the fact still remains, as it does matter a great deal ,,,And it is a biblical command to study to show yourself approved,,

ggturner said, 

Sorry but I put more trust in someone who has formal training in theology over someone who does not.   Theologians that have successfully graduated from an accredited theological seminary understand Hebrew and Greek languages which help them interpret the Bible.  To me this is the same thing as trusting my health with a physician who was formally trained at an accredited medical school verses a quack who never attended medical school



 

(Matthew 7:11) (Luke 11:13)
 
I honestly don’t want to start this subject but I felt like I wanted to address something briefly.
Let just for one moment drop all theologies and the people who we trust with high level education(s) and just use common sense here…I don’t think anyone with clear honest mind and pure in heart would ever sell or give away your child to a stranger or even child who does not know how to tell right from wrong just because you felt for stupid reason he is NOT the chosen one to be loved in the family. And God says when human being who is imperfect as we are, know how to give good for our children, how much more will your Father in Heaven. And if somebody honestly believes that the Bible says that God will send an infant to hell because for some stupid reason he was not being chosen one by God; OVER MY DEAD BODY I will ever serve that kind of God if that’s how many people picture him.



Shtal.

shtal, it is understandable to feel as such, and many people have differing POV's.  The problem is not our individual POV's, personal convictions, or even our experiential knowledge, IMO.  The trouble comes when trying to forward those personal positions (which are theological in nature) in a forum such as this.  I cannot even begin to envision a productive conversation on the matter here, because it could take pages of posts just to get everyone to agree upon matters of exegesis, hermeneutics, philosophy of religion, theological philosophy, etc  before you could even approach the theology.  Maybe it should be as simple as you say, but I just don't see that as being the reality. 

You think you could actually get everyone to agree on those elements, Carlin ?

Never in a million years.  But good luck in trying.

Hund, you ruined it!  I was trying to step out of character and play the optimist for change. 

Shtal:  you brought my name into this thread.  If you don't want my opinion, then don't bring me into it.  I will not engage you.  I honestly did not read your lengthy post above nor did I click on gouda's links.  No comment on gsdguy....not worth my time.

Sorry for mentioning your name ggturner but here is my two cents worth; what does it matter who is teacher is??? The way I see it you seem to only give one side credibility if they are a well known teacher. If they have gone to some higher education divinity school and theology.  I really don't care what others consider credible to be a teacher, preacher, Bishop and etc... As far as those things go and the outcome is as long as they are teaching the truth.