Unusual use of an e-collar? - Page 8

Well really the loin, but actually the neck is technically the upper spine and much closer to the brain.

Ahhh, my dog wears stimulating jewelry everyday at work and a flat leather collar.  I suppose we are just as fashion conscious as LA. 

I guess the owner of this dog didn't see anything wrong with multiple e-collars or he or she wanted to show us what a tough dog they had. I've seen a prong used around the abdomen of a female rottie to teach her to finish left in a timely manner. Would I do that? No.. To each his own.

Belly bling?

I think it is really too bad that a man's schlong can be measured by the number of electric shock collars his personal protection dog has to wear. And every time he zaps him in the groin, why his schlong grows another inch.

Eldee

I hate to ruin the SHOCK collar scenario BUT multiple collars are rarely about power and usually about direction. The picture posted shows the receiver on the flank not the groin. So I guess no schlong growth in this case?



Thomas Barriano

The comments just continue to display ignorance.  As Thomas said you don't use multiple collars for more power you use them to fine tune OB or protection routines.  Using more then one E Collar on a dog at the same time while handling him is not easy, it takes skill and timing. Were does this idea that you display your dogs hardness with E Collars come from??  If you zap the cr*p out of a truly hard dog for no reason you will likely end up in hospital for stitches.  In the pic the E Collar is used on the belly.  I have seen this done with ring dogs never in IPO doesn't mean its never been done though. Also, stimming a dogs genitals would likely cause to much pain and achieve a counter productive result..not fine tune a movement so not likely.  If you put an E Collar on the dogs belly it will sit were the waist meets the hips as in that pic.  If you have further questions why don't you email the pic's poster I am sure they could EDUCATE you on the purpose for the belly receiver. 
Based on the nature of this website I assumed most of the discussion would be technical in nature, not the usual emotional no facts judge fest you see on the pet boards..  Pretty sad..

I stand corrected as to the placement of the receiver on the collar that's around the loin area--I was looking at the small photo in the ad as it shows in the scroll at the top of the page, and on a small laptop screen at that.  Yes, after looking at the full size photo in the ad, on a full size screen, it does appear that the receiver is situated on the dog's flank and not the genitals [although the collar part of the apparatus nonetheless does look to be cinching up the dog's sheath, which is not likely to be comfortable for the dog].    

Not that I find the use of the collar on the flank to be an appropriate use for the device, either. But I concede that it's not as harsh a misuse of the device as I initially viewed it to be.

Haz, sorry if you're disappointed to find opposition to this type of use of an E-collar here. Funny how all of the things that these 'advanced' placements of 'remote receivers' are being used to teach a dog were able to be taught long before an E collar existed... Just because something is 'commonly' done in one venue or another doesn't make it right. It was common enough in the gaited show horse circuits to 'sore' a horse--in other words, intentionally do things to a horse's legs or feet that cause the animal pain as soon as it put it's foot on the ground--to make the horse sharply draw each foot back up and appear to have a 'flashier', 'more animated' way of moving, but that never made it right, and it never made it a humane thing to do. But it takes much longer to obtain the desired movement through breeding and skilled, non-abusive training methods.  The practice became so widespread and such an issue that Congress was pressured to enact the Horse Protection Act, a federal regulation that establishes severe penalties for 'soring' a horse and requirements for veterinary inspection of the animals to ensure compliance.  Do we really want to find ourselves in a similar position with dogs? 

Still waiting for someone to point me toward a remote training product that is actually manufactured and marketed to be used in these applications--if all that the devices are being used for is the vibration or 'page' function, and not the electrical shock aspect, I'd expect the established E collar companies would be tripping over themselves to get devices suited for placement around the tail, flank, or any other spot aside from the neck, out on the market. Where are these items?

BTW, in addition to several E collars, I also have a remote training collar that ONLY has the vibration mode--no electric 'stim' function at all--and also has a sound feature, which can be used as a distance reinforcement [+R or -R, depending on how you've cued the dog to the sounds]. So I'm not at all unfamiliar with remote training devices,

Speaking from a position of complete ignorance
- I don't in the normal course of things use e collars,
or train for hundsport OR PD, ... although I
can, I think, differentiate between more usefulness
and NEED for e collar use in the LATTER  -  can I
ask a straight question  ?

I 'get' the concept of using e collars to provide
'remote' control 'touches' - the substitute for a tap
in the loin area, in the case in question, because
you are physically removed from the dog.
But what is to stop this e collar moving AROUND
the dog's body during its activity in bitework ?
Could the receiver area not end up touching the
penile sheath inadvertently, if the collar worked
its way around ?  Is this a risk the handler / trainer
should be taking ?

You may say the collar-used-as-a-'belt' is placed so
tightly it can't possibly slip round ... but that in itself
could surely be construed as 'cruel' ;  and I doubt whether
a dog would be able to move so freely as to fly thru'
the air at the decoy with something  quite so restricting
and crippling round its middle ?  [ Hope this is 'on topic',
Northwoods ?]

Good post Haz! ......I don't use an ecollars, because I am that old school guy that some of you detest when I bring up old school dogs, but I am intelligent enough to know that proper use of anything can be effective and non abusive. Prescription drugs are the most abused drug in the world today, do we get rid of ALL prescription drugs because the abuse of them is rampant???? That's right the HELL with the persons that need and use them appropriately because some social worker mentality decided that they being available gives opportunity to them being abused. A billion people eat with chopsticks....but because they don't eat with knife and fork that doesn't make them right....who made knife and fork the only way???? I have taken a six week course in proper use of ecollars, and own a dogtra, because I hate speaking or making decisions out of ignorance( though it is commonplace on this board), but at the end of the day I chose not to use one routinely .....not because of negatives of the tool, but because it is easier for me after 40 years to get the same thing without one. But I am not so ignorant as to think it is not a very good and effective tool, especially in this day and age. As with most things,(prescription drugs), it needs to be used right, and many many people do, unfortunately some dont......but when you have neither been taught to use one, never participated in venues where it is used correctly, it is very difficult for me to expect an opinion from that area to be anything but emotional or uninformed. Jmo
​it reminds me of IPO, soooo many people SEE a dog and handler compete in a trial a couple of times and form opinions about the dogs or training necessary to do IPO. They haven't got a clue!!!!  When you have gotten out there for 2 plus years, and gone through all of the ups and downs, hiccups, problems to solve, various approaches to alter or change, just to get you and your dog to a point to be able to enter the trial, and you have some pet, show, or dog owner SEE it being done and form and expend opinions like they REALLY know?.....Bullshit!
i am not tearing down people's rights to opinions, but on training or on training tools like an ecollars, just seeing a video of live instance of an abuse is not sound basis to condemn the application completely.....may be enough for an individual to not want to use it....fair enough....but it still doesn't negate the good of the tool when in proper hands as was intended when created.