A Girl's Message To All Christians - Page 8

There is no LOGIC in religion, Shtal.  Is that why nobody will
answer my questions, either, because they are so mocking
in tone ?  Really ?  Or is it cos they can't be answered by
anyone blinded by belief ?

Hundmutter wrote: There is no LOGIC in religion


Then why do you still believe you came from non-living material, (I think it is really stupid what you believe my dear hundmutter)

This video will explain:




Or is it cos evolution can't be answered by anyone blinded by belief ?

GSDtravels,,I have nothing to lose here,,And you?..I don't care anything about Pascals wager...I am convinced of what I believe regardless..

Keith,,We had this discussion on another thread a while back,,The answer is simple; Old Testament was a foreshadowing of Christ ,,,,Not crickets!,,A resounding gong!..

I'm not talking about the OT, I'm talking about completely different religions based on the same myths.  The OT did not contain the specifics that are now accepted lore about Jesus' life and mimic details about the messiahs in those other religions.

Schtal
You know darn well I do not believe that humans / all life originated
from '"non-living material'".    I believe in the explained process of
living organisms being brought into being and amalgamated
with chemistry and heat and oxygen etc.  'We' can near as
dammit 'create' life in this way for ourselves in laboratories
these days.  Hardly difficult to envisage evolutionary development
from that point;   and a good deal more logical and believable than
any 'god story'. 

Shtal,

 You need to realize that the origin of our existence isn't black & white in the minds of many people, this is your narrow minded view. I haven't seen one person here claim we evolved from non-living matter, this again is your assertion. What you are trying to do is muddy the water with uneducated claims. Abiogensis isn't a theory and it isn't part of the theory of evolution. You are entitled to your beliefs, but you're not entitled to tell others what they believe based on your warped sense of logic. The universe is a awe inspiring place full of many possibilities and many of us are open to these possibilities. That being said, we base our reality on facts and evidence,  not blind faith. 

 

Love is by far the most important part of being "Christ like". The two commandments that Jesus put the most emphasis on dealt with loving God and loving others. Consider 1 Corinthians 13 to note even more the importance of love and how anyone truly is if they don't have love (they are nothing without it). But with all that said people continually twist the "love" passages and the thoughts of love, and things about Christ Himself in order to promote the idea that one can live willfully live in sin and "it's okay so long as we have love".  Christ loved first and foremost, but He still seeked over and over for the Salvation of others. Remember Matthew 9 when He was eating with the "tax gatherers and sinners".  Jesus went to the point to state it is those who are ill who need a physician. He was seeking to help others to change. So did His Apostles.  They preached when the opportunities came against those who put Christ to death; They preached to those who did not believe in God; And they even preached continually against sin to the congregations. Just look at the Gospels and Acts for the first two things I mentioned, and the letters to the Churches for the last one.  A Christians life is that of love.....but they should not so indulge themselves in friendships that will cause them to change over to ways that the Scriptures condemn, nor are they to be "acceptive" or tolerant of sin. Love the person, hate the sin.  James 2:15-17 "Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. 17 The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever."

The thing that baffles me is the teachings of "so many ways to Heaven" by those who believe in Jesus and God. Even one's who believe in His Word.  But you don't find "multiple ways" written in His Word. There is the importance of love, of keeping His commandments, the importance of things like belief, faith, baptism, God's grace, Christ's blood, etc etc. The Scriptures have much to say about the conduct of a Christian, things to do, things to stay away from, and so on.


Keith, I missed earlier parts of the conversation. What myths are you speaking of regarding other religions?

The bigger question, and I'll ask it again knowing that the so-called Christians will avoid it like the plague, is how to explain the presence of religions hundreds, sometimes even thousands, of years predating Christianity that tell the same story of a Messiah born of a virgin mother who had twelve disciples, born on December 25th, who died and came back from the dead...blah, blah, blah...that story is documented to have existed in history at least several hundred years prior to the time Christianity claims Jesus existed.  Do the research...how is that possible?

Do you not know that Jesus Christ was a Jew? That the Jews had it laid out through the prophecies of the Messiah Himself to come.  Many claim Christianity is just a "two thousand year old" religion, but fail to see where it came from. It is the same God that the Jews worshiped; The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.  Many Jews accepted Christ as the Messiah, the Savior, but many did not. The one's who did were baptized and became Christians; disciples of Christ, the Son of God.  There are other books that would explain about those "other religions" you mention with the same claims and supposive "predating" claims that I may bring up on here later.  But wherever you got the idea that there are so many others is fallacy.  I've seen a picture showing a number of those other "religions" who claim those things, and just a simple search will show how many of them do not actually claim what was stated by you and so many others for the most part.  I ask you, where in the Scriptures does it say that Jesus Christ was born on December 25th? The Scriptures themselves speak of the Shepherds in the region near by tending to their flock over night. Why would they be doing this in the cold Winter? They wouldn't. Jesus was not born on December 25th, and the Bible never made that claim.  "Religions" predating Christianity has absolutely nothing to do with anything.  The God the Jews worshiped (the same God), predates all other so called "religions" that have gods made by the hands of men.  Even the Apostles Paul and Barnabas were thought to have been "gods" because of the miracle they did in Lystra on a man who was lame from birth; A man who leaped after they verbally healed him. The people thought the gods Zeus and Hermes had come down in the form of men on them. Which Paul and Barnabas refuted the idea and were sad that the people called them that. Going on to mention that they were just men in the same form as the people, but that they did these things so they might turn from these vain things to a living God, who made the Heaven and the earth and the sea, and all that is in them.  There are other mentions in the book of Acts of those who worshiped false gods; And they are even mentioned in the times of the Old Testament throughout. Even the Israelites (who were Jews) fell into worshiping false gods from time to time.