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by steve1 on 28 August 2011 - 19:08
Prager
I know full well that the kennel name is from the Dam of the Pups it is no different than over here.
But the fact is this person Wade supposing bought a Dog from a Breeder and i guess his Male was the Father of the Pup but the female belonged to another kennel who used the male to serve his bitch But this Wade Guy buying the Pup should have been told that his Pup was bred by another Kennel but with the male of his choice,
Before the Pup was paid for, Then he had a choice of taking it or refusing it, That is the Point i am making and it is a correct one, If i bought and ordered a Pup from you or Jenni or anyone else then i expect that Puppy to be bred by you at your kennel and from your Male and Female, if you sent me a Pup which was bred by another Kennel using your male i would be really pissed off and that is what has happened in this case yet you two think it okay NOT SO.
You Guys in the USA want every single detail on Paper black and white before you buy from Germany or where i live, You want Guaranteed hips, Plus everything else.
To be honest a breeder over here could not realistically spend the money selling a Pup until at least two years old when you Guys get the Joints done, I for one would never sell a Puppy to the USA thats certain you only have to look at past threads on what you expect from a Breeder yet in this case where a Guy has been sold a pup which has not been bred or come from the Kennel of his choice and you think that is okay you have some very funny ways of going about things
PLus you can see that one ear of this Dog is not correct that is certain and no one should have to tape or mess with a Pups ears at 7 months old it will never be correct,
Steve1
I know full well that the kennel name is from the Dam of the Pups it is no different than over here.
But the fact is this person Wade supposing bought a Dog from a Breeder and i guess his Male was the Father of the Pup but the female belonged to another kennel who used the male to serve his bitch But this Wade Guy buying the Pup should have been told that his Pup was bred by another Kennel but with the male of his choice,
Before the Pup was paid for, Then he had a choice of taking it or refusing it, That is the Point i am making and it is a correct one, If i bought and ordered a Pup from you or Jenni or anyone else then i expect that Puppy to be bred by you at your kennel and from your Male and Female, if you sent me a Pup which was bred by another Kennel using your male i would be really pissed off and that is what has happened in this case yet you two think it okay NOT SO.
You Guys in the USA want every single detail on Paper black and white before you buy from Germany or where i live, You want Guaranteed hips, Plus everything else.
To be honest a breeder over here could not realistically spend the money selling a Pup until at least two years old when you Guys get the Joints done, I for one would never sell a Puppy to the USA thats certain you only have to look at past threads on what you expect from a Breeder yet in this case where a Guy has been sold a pup which has not been bred or come from the Kennel of his choice and you think that is okay you have some very funny ways of going about things
PLus you can see that one ear of this Dog is not correct that is certain and no one should have to tape or mess with a Pups ears at 7 months old it will never be correct,
Steve1
by eichenluft on 28 August 2011 - 19:08
actually Prager - the owner of the female is not necessarily the kennel name on the pedigree. I have leased many a female and ownership was not in my name. The owner of the females were of course listed as the breeder on the registrations, but the puppies were named with my kennel name - they were mine after all (I was leasing the females) and sold by me, contracted/guaranteed by me. My kennel name on all puppies. People buying from me got my puppy from my chosen breeding with my kennel name and my contract. Name of the female's owner and their signature of course where required, but the name of the puppies is determined by the breeder - in this case, Jinopo since apparently he was advertising and selling the litter?. and if he wasn't selling the litter - if in fact he was advertising the litter for a friend or for another breeder (and that other person was collecting money for the puppies) then this should have been disclosed to the buyers so everything was clear before purchase.
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by sable59 on 28 August 2011 - 20:08
hans you need to get your quotes right. i never have spoke about the high price . as a matter of fact i was well pleased with the overall arrangement.
what i am and still , not satisified as to HOW you all handled the ear and you never mentioned this pup was from another kennel and that you are were selling for a friend of yours. i, along with about anyone (except the kiss ass jenn) would think the pup was a jinipo pup. what are you supposed to do ask "do you own this dog,do you own this bitch.??" i think not and hans, you would probably get upset if someone asked you that question.
on another point, hans, i said i would keep the pup after learning what all i had to go through to get another one.it is not worth all the hassel.
also at that time i had not yet opened the pedigree. i only did that yesterday morning when i was in the process of filling out the foreign regerstation of imo.
as chaz said, i have always been a believer in you and jeri. love the czech dogs but hans,damn it, this wasn't right.
if anyone has looked at my web site i have a male and female on my breeding dogs that are not mine but my friends dencils'. they are clearly marked as to the owner of them too.
i just want everone to know. this thing is overwith. i think i have made my case and finished with it.
a greeting for you jenn. as i sai you don't know diddle and i stand behind that. you have breed one bitch this makes four times and have a black stud dog that ,???? you want to tell the rest. i do know!!
as to my spelling, did't know this was about spelling and i don't use spell check. if you can't understand the misspelled words than so be it.
what i am and still , not satisified as to HOW you all handled the ear and you never mentioned this pup was from another kennel and that you are were selling for a friend of yours. i, along with about anyone (except the kiss ass jenn) would think the pup was a jinipo pup. what are you supposed to do ask "do you own this dog,do you own this bitch.??" i think not and hans, you would probably get upset if someone asked you that question.
on another point, hans, i said i would keep the pup after learning what all i had to go through to get another one.it is not worth all the hassel.
also at that time i had not yet opened the pedigree. i only did that yesterday morning when i was in the process of filling out the foreign regerstation of imo.
as chaz said, i have always been a believer in you and jeri. love the czech dogs but hans,damn it, this wasn't right.
if anyone has looked at my web site i have a male and female on my breeding dogs that are not mine but my friends dencils'. they are clearly marked as to the owner of them too.
i just want everone to know. this thing is overwith. i think i have made my case and finished with it.
a greeting for you jenn. as i sai you don't know diddle and i stand behind that. you have breed one bitch this makes four times and have a black stud dog that ,???? you want to tell the rest. i do know!!
as to my spelling, did't know this was about spelling and i don't use spell check. if you can't understand the misspelled words than so be it.
by sable59 on 28 August 2011 - 20:08
als0o, thanks to my true friend hank, for his thoughts. he is like myself and likes hans and jeri. he is also, and i appreciate this fact, an honest person and believes in dealing from the top.
i would not have bought the pup had i known it was from the other kennel. that is facts. dencil and i had talked about this potential stud dog and decided if he was not what we expected we could sell him on the name alone.
thanks to you guys that understand my point and humbug to the ones that just want to argue.
steve , a special thanks to you as we have crossed each other and disagreed on other issues. again thanks.
if all this helps one person get a fair shake, it was wroth it.
TO BREEDERS: DON'T PLACE LITTERS ON YOU WEBSITE OF OTHER BREEDERS LITTERS WITHOUT LETTING IT BE KNOW. THEN WE WILL NOT HAVE THIS PROBLEM AGAIN. REGARDS WADE HATFIELD
P.S. YES I HAVE A BAD, BAD TEMPER.
i would not have bought the pup had i known it was from the other kennel. that is facts. dencil and i had talked about this potential stud dog and decided if he was not what we expected we could sell him on the name alone.
thanks to you guys that understand my point and humbug to the ones that just want to argue.
steve , a special thanks to you as we have crossed each other and disagreed on other issues. again thanks.
if all this helps one person get a fair shake, it was wroth it.
TO BREEDERS: DON'T PLACE LITTERS ON YOU WEBSITE OF OTHER BREEDERS LITTERS WITHOUT LETTING IT BE KNOW. THEN WE WILL NOT HAVE THIS PROBLEM AGAIN. REGARDS WADE HATFIELD
P.S. YES I HAVE A BAD, BAD TEMPER.
by Jenni78 on 28 August 2011 - 21:08
DELETED.
A leopard can't change his spots and I'd hate to be repsonsible for educating a fool, so I retract my last post.
A leopard can't change his spots and I'd hate to be repsonsible for educating a fool, so I retract my last post.
by Judy P on 28 August 2011 - 23:08
OMG all of this over a dogs name??? The dog is the pedigree the buyer wanted - the name changes nothing about the pedigree or quality of the puppy. As for the ear this is still a puppy, if the puppy was bought at 8 weeks I don't know if any breeder can know for 100% certainty what the end result will be. Just give it some time for the puppy to grow.
Wade if your concern is that you will not be able to "get rid of" this puppy why not take Hans offer to buy the puppy back.
Wade if your concern is that you will not be able to "get rid of" this puppy why not take Hans offer to buy the puppy back.
by OGBS on 29 August 2011 - 00:08
This is another one of the threads on this web site that is really f...in' hilarious.
"This breeder did this and that, and blah, blah, blah, blah..."
I didn't want to write anything, but, thought it worth noting that VL had posted here as MissingInAction.
Wade,
If you were so in love with Jiri and Hans what difference would it make what kennel name was on a dog they sent you?
If you were trusting them enough to send you a pup and not look in to the details of the breeding, then you can't fault them for not telling you that another kennel name would be on the pups registration. As was pointed out by GSDPack who is from the same country as Jiri and Hans, the kennel name there is not important, but, the DOG itself is!!!
This is why it is so easy to screw over American buyers.
When you bought the pup you were, apparently, pleased with the sire and dam, so who would care about the kennel name?
(Only someone looking to make money off another person's decades of hard work and their kennel name)
You trusted them enough to send you dogs, live with the one you were sent, or abide by the contract to get a replacement.
If the kennel name was such an important criteria so that you could sell it to someone down the line (should read dump it on someone else down the line) then you should have made sure it was the kennel name you wanted. As a matter of fact stated by you above, you did not even look at the kennel name until recently when it came time to sell (dump) this dog on someone else.
This was poined out before, but again, JINOPO IS NOT A KENNEL. It is a business name and they are in the business of selling pups and dogs from any kennel in Czech or Slovakia that they do business with.
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This is a perfect example of what is so completely wrong with the world of the GSD in the U.S. and probably elsewhere, as well.
Way too may people are buying blood lines or kennel names instead of buying DOGS!!!!!
This is because there is too much money involved and in the end it is about money and not about dogs!
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Steve1,
A fair number of people here in the U.S. do wait until a dog is one or two years old before they buy it (whether the dog is here in the U.S. or from Europe) and are willing to pay a fairly hefty price. This is in order to ensure they have what they want, excellent working potential, good or better hips and elbows, etc. This always has to be done through well established connections because many European breeders and/or brokers (even the so called good ones) will screw an American every way possible and then turn around and do it again.
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If you are going to buy a puppy (and this goes for every litter bred anywhere, anytime) it is never fully known what you will get until the dog is completely mature generally between 2-4 years of age. Puppies are a gamble and always will be, so, the best you can do is be a smart gambler and try to play the odds as best as possible.
Anyone who tells you different is a f...in liar, doesn't know diddly sh.., and all the other expleteives used in this thread.
(One last comment, are Jiri and Hans the "real McCoys"? Think about it.
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"This breeder did this and that, and blah, blah, blah, blah..."
I didn't want to write anything, but, thought it worth noting that VL had posted here as MissingInAction.
Wade,
If you were so in love with Jiri and Hans what difference would it make what kennel name was on a dog they sent you?
If you were trusting them enough to send you a pup and not look in to the details of the breeding, then you can't fault them for not telling you that another kennel name would be on the pups registration. As was pointed out by GSDPack who is from the same country as Jiri and Hans, the kennel name there is not important, but, the DOG itself is!!!
This is why it is so easy to screw over American buyers.
When you bought the pup you were, apparently, pleased with the sire and dam, so who would care about the kennel name?
(Only someone looking to make money off another person's decades of hard work and their kennel name)
You trusted them enough to send you dogs, live with the one you were sent, or abide by the contract to get a replacement.
If the kennel name was such an important criteria so that you could sell it to someone down the line (should read dump it on someone else down the line) then you should have made sure it was the kennel name you wanted. As a matter of fact stated by you above, you did not even look at the kennel name until recently when it came time to sell (dump) this dog on someone else.
This was poined out before, but again, JINOPO IS NOT A KENNEL. It is a business name and they are in the business of selling pups and dogs from any kennel in Czech or Slovakia that they do business with.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is a perfect example of what is so completely wrong with the world of the GSD in the U.S. and probably elsewhere, as well.
Way too may people are buying blood lines or kennel names instead of buying DOGS!!!!!
This is because there is too much money involved and in the end it is about money and not about dogs!
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Steve1,
A fair number of people here in the U.S. do wait until a dog is one or two years old before they buy it (whether the dog is here in the U.S. or from Europe) and are willing to pay a fairly hefty price. This is in order to ensure they have what they want, excellent working potential, good or better hips and elbows, etc. This always has to be done through well established connections because many European breeders and/or brokers (even the so called good ones) will screw an American every way possible and then turn around and do it again.
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If you are going to buy a puppy (and this goes for every litter bred anywhere, anytime) it is never fully known what you will get until the dog is completely mature generally between 2-4 years of age. Puppies are a gamble and always will be, so, the best you can do is be a smart gambler and try to play the odds as best as possible.
Anyone who tells you different is a f...in liar, doesn't know diddly sh.., and all the other expleteives used in this thread.
(One last comment, are Jiri and Hans the "real McCoys"? Think about it.
)by steve1 on 29 August 2011 - 04:08
OGBS
I am really talking about you Guys over there buying Puppies from Belgium and Germany not so much older dogs who will already have been health checked etc by two years old.
You guys always refer Pups as a crap shoot in a way they are a risky animal to buy but according to what is put on here you do not pay much more than say i would.
So if i go to a good breeder in Germany and i am asked 800 Euros around 1140 USA dollars. How much would you be asked for a litter mate from the same breeder. I really cannot think that a reputable breeder will charge more because you live in the USA
He will charge you travelling costs etc and his time for getting the Papers, Vets certificates etc to the airport but that is nothing to do with the puppy price.
So you tell me how much you would pay the basic purchase price of a litter mate to my one with you living in the USA
Steve1
by ironshepherd on 29 August 2011 - 05:08
I bought a dog from Jinopo through Hans and am very pleased with him. He does not have a Jirkova Dvora nor Jipo-me kennel name which I was also taken back with at first but I have moved past that. He is a phenomenal dog that is vastly superior to any GSD i have owned or encountered from any American breeders. Roubenky is actually a very respectable kennel name that produced one of Jinopo's very fine stud dogs, Odin.
As far as the pup's ear is concerned, I am sure that Hans would like to uphold the warranty of Jinopo against genetic defects. As he said he would give you another puppy which the odds overwhelmingly show will be healthy and without defect. I am sure you can find a home for this puppy for a modest price and sell the relacement puppy to compensate for any financial loss you may have occurred and then some.
Hate to see such vicious arguements on such a usually positive and upbeat forum of working GSD lovers
As far as the pup's ear is concerned, I am sure that Hans would like to uphold the warranty of Jinopo against genetic defects. As he said he would give you another puppy which the odds overwhelmingly show will be healthy and without defect. I am sure you can find a home for this puppy for a modest price and sell the relacement puppy to compensate for any financial loss you may have occurred and then some.
Hate to see such vicious arguements on such a usually positive and upbeat forum of working GSD lovers
by OGBS on 29 August 2011 - 06:08
Hi Steve1,
I would expect to pay slightly higher for a puppy from Europe. $1200-1500
When I was speaking of breeders screwing American buyers it had little to do with price.
It has to do with the quality of what they will send here. So there is no mistake I do not mean that every breeder is this way, but, most will not send their best pups or dogs here unless you have a really good connection to go through.
I would expect to pay slightly higher for a puppy from Europe. $1200-1500
When I was speaking of breeders screwing American buyers it had little to do with price.
It has to do with the quality of what they will send here. So there is no mistake I do not mean that every breeder is this way, but, most will not send their best pups or dogs here unless you have a really good connection to go through.
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