Freaks now in the UK - Page 8

I have never kept secret the two livers I got in my last litter. But they have been neutered and pet placed. I would NEVER sell them to a puppy mill like k9pines to perpetuate the problem. Just my opinion that it's a problem, but DUH, why would I post somebody else's opinion....

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by the line of thinking you have,  wouldn't you not consider your pet pups gsd?  you've "culled" them and placed them into pet homes.  so you are saying that only conformation or working champions have the right to be called german shepherds?

Wouldn't most breeders consider your pups culls? Vom Marischal?  you breed mainly for pets?  do you consider you pups german shepherds?

No, I do not breed mainly for pets, not in the least. But those two are. And no, I do not consider them GSDs. And what do champions have to do with it????? Where did I say that only champions are considered within the standard?

Stop trying to back me into a corner. Your belligerent tone is unpleasant. 

not every puppy born in the litter will conform to the standard.  all dogs deviate from it some way or another.  Champions conform closest to the standard. 
its just how you make it sound,  unless a dog conforms to the standard,  it can't be called a gsd.  so in my opinion, along your line of thinking,  if the dog isn't show worthy/champion, it is a pet.  and a pet is a pet, whether it is blk/tan, blk/red or blue or pied.

and don't most breeders consider their pets culls?  they've been culled from your breeding programs/show homes?  so why call the pets, german shepherds?

these dogs can be DNA'd and are from registered german shepherd parents,  why can't they be called gsd? they were born from german shepherd parents? 

 

A debate is one thing, your pounding abusiveness  is another. I'm finished. I already told you my opinion, and I know yours. It is not my job to convert to the Uber way of thinking. Go yell at the wall and insist that IT agree with you. I do not. 

didn't know I was being abusive, lol

and so far, no one has bothered to answer my question about why it is ok for german breeders, and basically the rest of the SV type show world to "color breed" for the blk/reds,  but it isn't ok for someone else to work with one color.

I don't see many german breeders using sables or black, even though they are just as acceptable as the blk/red.  So whats the deal?  I'll tell you, the blk/red roach back is the new fad at the moment, and unless you breed that,  you can't have good dogs. 

to say a dog is not a gsd just because of its color is absurd.

workingline folks don't view the showlines as real gsd
european breeders don't view the american line dog as a real gsd
german showline folks consider their dogs the epitome of the standard and breed

John Q public doesn't view anything but a classic blk/tan as a real gsd

Hi, most of the time I read these messages, and laugh at most of you. I don't like to get in the middle of such worthless conversation. but today i just can't seem to help my self. Let me tell you I don't see most people needing a high drive in there German shepherds these days. how many families still herd cattle and sheep these day. most of all your gsd's are pets no matter the color they happened to be born. People color is obsolete in most cases in todays time. No one has the right to say what people should like or breed. people who say that breeding for color is a bad thing must not really believe that, because that is what you do by not breeding these colors. you in fact breed for color because you don't want the whites, blues, livers and so showing up in your litters. I would rather see a litter with different colors then for every pup to look the same. That right there says that gene pool is very linebred. I call them cookie cutters. I am not saying that your breeding program is bad. Do what you feel is right and leave others to there own. As far as k9 pines have a lot of litters how the hell do you think she vets and feeds those dogs.she is not charging 1000 + for her dogs. Sorry people love bucks don't really pay. I have worked in a top inter national show kennel who produced more then she does. I remember the breeder say it coasted her over 1,000 a day to run the place. Thats everything from food to to whelping. I bet you any money we went through 100.00 in bleach a month. I think people should stop worrying about a dogs color, because your black and tans can be just as ugly or sickly as any other color. As far as some breeders who happen to breed these colors and selling them. I have seen them less costly then your black and tans. don't worry for the people who think that the piebalds are not of pure blood. k9 pines does a lot of genetic studies on colors and patterns. I am sure they'll do the same for the piebalds pup. I am not claiming to know all there is to know. I aways have more to learn. But people need to get off the whole color thing. I have had white gsd's that would have give k9 police dogs a run for there money. In Canada one of the most decorated k9 police dogs was a white gsd's who at the time held the record for more finds and take downs. By the way I am signing off. Bash me if you want I could care less.

Bazza 100% correct why would any true breeder breed for faults because that is what these are they are faults yes anyone can get non standard colours when breeding but they should be sold as pets with endorsed papers not kept and bred from to produce more faults that is why every pedigree dog has a breed standard so that these faults are not bred on and the breed is kept to type.
jim h