Should all UK GSD judges be licensed ? - Page 8

I think somebody should try to get the thread back on track, so here is my small contribution, Mackenzie makes the very relevant assersion that there should be some governing body with regard to judging our breed, and the wherewith alls that go with the honour of judging this great breed, and yes it should be considered an honour and not a back scratching exercise.
 

  Mackenzie also states the there should be a follow up exam every three years, the unfortunate thing  about that point is that even the most gifted Judge,  will,  because of KC. rules,  only have judged Five, maybe Six champ. shows,   when you think about it, not nearly enough time to be able to be considered good, bad, or indifferent.   Can you imagine any Sieger show judge officiating at only one show before the Big One.  In my opinion there needs to be a nucleus of judges , selected by their peers in a democratic manner, and governed by a committee, also elected in the same manner,  in doing so, it  would,  in one stroke cut out the favours for favours.
  
The quicker we can all be seen to be singing off the same hymn sheet, the faster our credibility will be returned to us.

  Regards.

 Paul Rattigan.
  

Well done Paulie.  Your post is just what was needed here.  Thank you.

When I suggested a three year period for re-examining the judges I had in mind that judges would be officiating at a number of Open Shows also.  The judging of Open Shows to begin with would be a sort of apprenticeship.  Championship Show judges should be drawn from the most experienced people.  This was my thinking in the first instance when I suggested that to begin with the examinations be carried out by SV judges until there are sufficient numbers through the system.   In order to select the nucleus of judges elected by their peers should  be done by those who have passed through a Judges scheme.  To elect them without this effectively does not change the status quo.

Mackenzie

Thanks for coming back on tack David.   I sincerely hope that you can continue to contribute and enjoy the discussion without any further verbal attack by anyone.

Mackenzie

Lets now try to keep it positive, PLEASE.

  Thank you in anticipation.
  Paul Rattigan.

"We have bequested a very large sum to GSD Welfare, with the condition the GSD Welfare makes every effort to rehome all our dogs.

By the way, re-homing will be to PET homes only, with NO papers"

I think that is a wise condition David.  With the greatest respect, there is no dog that will cause the Breed will disintegrate by its lack of future input and once you no longer have control of how and to who a dog is bred, it's breeding life could go in any direction and not necessarily in a direction you would have wanted.

Margaret N-J

I hope this is correct and I have picked up the train of thought which has been suggested.....

One Judge per class and then a seperate Judge for the line up and tickets....I suppose that there would then have to be another Judge for BIS and BPIS?

Ok so let me see.....

MPD - Judge 1
PD - Judge 2
JD - Judge 3
ND - Judge 4
SYD - Judge 5
GD - Judge 6
PGD - Judge 7
LD - Judge 8
OD - Judge 9
Line up - Judge 10
MPB - Judge 11
PB - Judge 12
JB - Judge 13
NB - Judge 14
SYB - Judge 15
GB - Judge 16
PGB - Judge 17
LB - Judge 18
OB - Judge 19
Line up - Judge 20
BIS & BPIS - Judge 21

Hmm! I can see problems with this.

Some Judges are expensive enough on their own without adding more costs to club funds for another 20!
It is hard enough to get good Judges and is there really 21 of them at the moment which would ALL be free to Judge the same show, different classes AND not be in conflict?
It would end up that if every show was judged like this, then almost every show would a rotation of the same Judges again and again, but doing differing classes.
As a Judge, would YOU travel 100/200 or even 300 miles for ONE class? This does nothing towards the figures for your Judging card?
People enter shows under particular Judges because they know that they should like their type, if one Judge one class rule was in force then people would not really get to as many shows as they would like. ie if Judge 1 likes your type but happens to be judging another class then you won't enter. This could happen throughout the year, what chance have up and coming puppies?
I can see the point about favour Judging but it has been going on since showing dogs started (in fact it is in all walks of life) It is after all supposed to be a hobby and if you don't like the Judge then you enter the next show. Judging, for the most of the Dogdom population is still a hobby and it is voluntary. If you don't agree with the faciness then don't enter, pick a different hobby.
With the suggestion of one judge one class I can forsee many more problems and I think that the Clubs themselves would actually suffer finacially.
Again, I may have picked the suggestion made earlier up wrong but if I am right then this is how I see it.

Frank
Ps another small issue with it......in this day and age with the entries dropping anyway, with the one judge one class suggestion it maybe that the Judges outnumber the numbers of entries!!!! Just a far fetch thought I know, but it is still a thought!