Schutzhund and only schutzhund? - Page 8

Johan77 Lers agree to not agree we wont get anywhere I did not write that All schh cant but many of Them it is not genetical ,some Lines are defently not All Lets take the mals they often bite and use their mouth more than most gsd does from a Young age they love to bite and tug most schh gsd have learned to bite nothing genetic there Johan77 You generalize everything I write of course there are som good dogs among the danish one We have been through this before and I Will never change my mind I meet alot of police dogs In my proffession and not many of Them Well I Would not Own many of these lack of drive dogs i dont blame people for getting a mal instead

johan77


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But please tell me why the best scoring french ring GSD in the last championsip in french ring is more proven and more suited for policework than a well known danish SCH-dog like satoris gator for example




 

Yes I would say that to your question.

think you all mis the point the point is no one i saying that schh titles are all bad and every dog from schh lines are bad that is not what been said


even if you like it or not RING or KNPV TITLES tests the dogs alot more and selects traits in dogs schh does not do that is a fact



you can say it all you like that schh is just a good at selecting traits as many of the other programs but that is true

here is a damn good dog bred from some of the best schh lines http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=627896


it has nothing to do with schh but the traits in the dog that are selected when breeding 

Johan77
dont want to disquss Gator again we have been through this before and are getting nowhere I understand you think schh titles are just as good as  RING or KNPV




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who says anything about that  schh titles cant produce police dogs I see it all the time

does not matter what it does or do not do many of the gsd today lack drive in bite work they lack intensity and the power to fight like a malinois does more or less

so I could not care about witch dogs are police dogs the matter of fact is that mals have more drive than gsd and that is dur to breeding and the titles they have had to get before breeding

you can easily often see the difference bewteen malionis schh lines or the RING or KNPV lines alot of difference from pups they are biting alot more the not schh lines and much more driven to bite and tug than the other lines

WorkingDogz Ive postet this In this forum but another tread and this type of litter is not common In gsd most mals not gsd Again it does not matter If RING titled dogs came from schh Lines the traits they bred have changed it only takes one of two generations to change some traits and abilitys

Myret, I think it´s you who always makes generalizations when you say things like many GSDs from SCH-lines can´t bite or scandinavian policedogs are weak, and especially that all KNPV and ringdogs are very good. I never said SCH test anything more than other sports, I say there are many dogs used in breedings from SCH-lines that are used due to their drives and character, and not only because their SCH-scores.

For me it doesn´t matter what lines or sports are used, a mediocre dog that scores well in french ring are not more intressting to me than a stronger dog doing SCH. Also, you always talks about mals and their love for chasing and biting, like that´s the only things a good dog is made of, what about nerves, hardness, courage and so on ? I understand you don´t care about if a dog could do policework and not only sport, for me I rather see a dog that could do more than sport, and not only be a decent ringdog but not fitted for servicework.

Myrat, I'm glad you just wrote that since your pup is pretty much all SchH from the third gen .

I bet you can find video's of highline puppies biting
like that too.
I didn't see anything in the video that I have not
seen in a typical working line GSD litter.
Am I missing something?

 

Evidently I AM, if that litter's so "typical" of a workingline GSD litter.  Definitely not the kind of generalization I would make.  The French must be doing something right, because it seems more common in their genepool and other nearby countries that do not breed strictly for schutzhund.  Personally, I like schutzhund, but I'm not greatly impressed by how it tests the dog.  I think ringsport is FAR more impressive for what it requires of the dog to attain a well scored performance.  But ultimately, I doubt any test is foolproof to safeguard the characteristics we wish to retain in our breeding.

Johann77 Again I never wrote that All RING sport dogs are good dogs but they are doping something right like the tiekerhook kennel Koos hé is doing something because when it All comes to it it boils down to genes and traits not schh or RING but selective breeding Im not good at explaining myself In english so maybe thats one reason no understands

Like I wrote has nothing to so with schh titles behind the pedigree the traits have changed In france the last couple of years Some of the good old hard but stil workabel Lines In schh the gsd has changed If you like it or not that dó to selective breeding not for All better

I cant explain the difference between a All schh litter and a RING no matter If its mals or gsd but there is a difference you Can see it In the pups at a Young age I've spoken to breeders here at they could see the difference In the pups when they bred to Vasco with some of the old schh dogs like aly,Nick ,Half ,fero,trold,yochy,and the french line There pups where different than the normal only schh they use to bred only