Sch German Shepherd...No Natural instinct to protect family!!!! - Page 8

Adi, it is certainly possible, however, if you going to drop a lot of of money on a puppy with a specific goal in mind (such as family/home protection) is the buyer's responsibility to make an educated purchase, choose a pup from parents that display said qualities, and learn how to correctly evaluate and choose the right dog. Then, actually go out and train it to ensure the puppy reaches it's potential and desired behaviors as an adult.

This guy has NO ONE to blame but himself. If he assumed that simply because the dogs came from titled stock he would get certain behaviors, then he didn't do much research, did he? Ask online? Ask at the local SchH club? Of course he did not, because anyone he met who was educated on this subject would have told him that titles can be bought and that he must be a wary consumer.

So either this guy didn't do his homework and bought two poor quality dogs or he can't read them for crap. Whether the dogs are weak or not- it's not their fault they have a d-bag for an owner. Sorry.

How about some pedigrees MRK? I'm curious.

 troublelinx,

i am not baiting anyone. what ibrahim says is exaclty what ive been trying to say.

Adi Ibrahimegovic,

my dogs have very good/prey drive. but cashing a ball or biting on a rag is different than gaurding ones ones property. they are not aggrasive to other dog if that is what you are asking. cats i am usnure.

Royal1,

you stated "I have a german shepherd, his parents were not SCH3 dogs. He never got proper trainning by me because I really did not know how to train a dog correctly. He never bark at people when they pass by my property, unless they got to close. He was the most freindly people dog I ever known and everybody loved him because he was NOT mean dog or ever showed aggression to no one. I was thinking that he will not protect me.

One time I took him for walk on the leash, while I was walking I met a person and I started talking to him about GSD's, my dog simple ignore him and then showed sign that he is friendly - which is very true, so the guy felt comfort talking to me. And then that poor fellow started moving his hands quickly while explaining his story and by mistake this fellow got to close to me while talking and moving his hands. Suddenly my GSD barked and showed aggression to this guy while I was talking. I never seing my dog do that. I was shocked by surprise on his behavior......."

maybe your dog is that way because hes not a showline sch.

Steve1,
you said "My Fluffy soft looking Goran, will not make a sound if you pass by the house. If you however come onto the property he will bark to warn me of you being there.... if i put him back in his Pen and lock him in he will be fine and not bark because you are in the Garden with me there, But if you go over to his Pen and try to stroke him he will not make one sound but your arm will be in his mouth with him trying to take you through the Bars, That is a controlled Dog in his own environment, and yours would i expect do the same with training But if you cannot find the time or incination to do it then do not blame your dogs"

all i have to say is:
1) i think you may be contradicting yourself or i am confuse. you have a dog that wont bark if someone walks outside of property but barks if someone uninvited come onto your property? but if he is in his pen than he will bite and not bark if someone walks by to try and pet it?
2) if you are trainer, my hats off to you for a job well done. i am not a trainer and all i dont ask much from my dogs. if barking at strangers trying to climb your fence or coming into your yard is too complicated for these dogs to understand and requires training to do something that should be instinct than they are not worth the price i paid for.

bottom line is, i bought  high price puppy from direct many many generations of sch protection train dogs that are suppose to be higher intelligence than the average dog off the street and maybe with little natural protectiveness of its terrotory. i should be concern about how they might be over protective and tearing someone apart.  i should be getting him train to be more of a "controlled dog" in his environment and around strangers.

that is not then case here. what i got is more like a dogs from many many generations of therapy dogs that need to be train how to bark and inject some common sense of protection of its property into them.

to all,

some people seem to confuse fight and flight. its not like a bad person coming into  your yard to intentionally harm your dog and corning him to force him into fight/flight mode. when a bad person come into your yard, he is there to do bad deeds to your property or you. bad guy come into yard and see that your dog is happy and wagging his tail..bad guy

No
i am not contradicting myself, I do not want my Dogs barking everytime a person walks past the property why would i or why should they, Only if that person comes into the Property will they bark If you are having Dogs baking everytime someone walks past your house then you will soon have the neigbours on your back and then trouble starts
I respect my neigbours needs and they do me so i for myself do not want Barking Dogs half or part of the Day,
They are not trained specially to do it, I just stopped from when they were youngters, But as i say you are perfectly okay in the Garden with the oldest one but his Pen is his and No one will stroke him when he is in there except me, Outside the Pen with me there he will treat you as a friend of mine but still not make a great fuss of you just a greeting and walk away
Steve1

With good prey drive a trainer can bring out the behavior you want.  You would have to contition the responce that you want through training.  There is no other option for these dogs that you have.  Some dogs have so much confidence that they would not even alert if aproached by Frankenstine.  Another thing is that it is best to train for protection before 2 years of age at the latest, and this is just my personal opinion dont take it as gospel.

Mrk,

I' am NOT mistaken, my male is a show line. He simply don't care when people pass by my property, unless someone got too close to fence gate - then he will let them know don't come close. He sleeps most of the day and rarely barks during the day but barks more during the night......My female barks most during the day and rarely at night.

GSDfan,

you said "however if you feel you need more then once they are doing well on the training field then you move to TRAINING them at your home, having a decoy aggitate them over the fence and give them a bite while you are there to praise them...they bark they get their reward...a bite and praise from you"

like what dwchastain said about fight or flight, when you use the decoy to agitate them, arent you forcing them into a fight mode so they will bark? how do you get a dog to bark without agitations? will they know that is what they are suppose to do regardless if you are there or not?

thanks for the advice. i will try that and pray for it to work.

"maybe your dog is that way because hes not a showline sch." 

Mrk, a WHAT? Do you think Schutzhund means "German shepherd"?

I think I stand by my opinion. These dogs are showline deadheads with no drive whatsoever. He probably got the shitters out the litter and was taken for a ride.

Kzaja, I agree with what you are saying... but on the other hand, something smells fishy here, something doesn't seem right, I can't point my finger at it.

The guy seems a bit dumb, inexperienced, thick headed, say whatever you want, yes, that all stands. But still:

From what I can see, God knows he isn't asking of his dogs to do much. Alert to something that is out of ordinary, such as, a non pack member entering the property, their property, their home, their dwelling.

A GSD, a normal purebred GSD, unless a total and absolute fucking shitter, should do that simple thing with NO OR VERY MINIMAL TRAINING.

If this opinion of mine is wrong, then I am a bigger dumbass than he is and I have no business whatsoever owning a working line german shepherd dog and everything I know about GSD goes down the crapper right now, right here.

like what dwchastain said about fight or flight, when you use the decoy to agitate them, arent you forcing them into a fight mode so they will bark?


No, that is not what I was suggesting! don't skip over the sentence before of mine you quoted!  You teach them to bark and bite in PREY drive, on the training field...after they learn to bark and bite in prey drive with confidence, your trainer can build their defense drive, then you can take the training to your house.  I am not giving you all the pieces of the puzzle in detail because you must use an experienced trainer.... they will know what to do. 

Do not SKIP to someone aggitating them on the other side of the fence! that is not what I am suggesting and  It will most likely not work as you want it to since their defense drive is low. 

Again, MRK- pedigrees? I'm sure a lot of us are curious and there are some very educated people here who could possibly even pinpoint where the problem is coming from genetically.