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by nonacona60 on 29 September 2010 - 20:09
Steve1,
Nona
You are the worst type of German Shepherd Owner i have ever come across, so make of that what you will
Steve1
Wow, worse than the animal abusers and ones that neglect their animals....HMMMMMMM...Seems you are the one that has alot to learn Steve....You are a bit too old to say, grow up....
You are the cutest, and most ornery old man I have ever met...I will also add that I worked in a nursing home as a nurse, and NONE, I repeat NONE have ever come close to you and your demeanor.....
Guess I made a vaild point huh Steve with my previous post.....Left you short on words.....You did the right thing, redirect the topic back to me, instead of staying on topic and answering it.....Ever hear the saying, "What goes around comes around" ? Better be careful, because what you dish out will one day come back to bite you in the butt....You did say you hoped to breed your little Izzy one day, right????
Nona
You are the worst type of German Shepherd Owner i have ever come across, so make of that what you will
Steve1
Wow, worse than the animal abusers and ones that neglect their animals....HMMMMMMM...Seems you are the one that has alot to learn Steve....You are a bit too old to say, grow up....
You are the cutest, and most ornery old man I have ever met...I will also add that I worked in a nursing home as a nurse, and NONE, I repeat NONE have ever come close to you and your demeanor.....
Guess I made a vaild point huh Steve with my previous post.....Left you short on words.....You did the right thing, redirect the topic back to me, instead of staying on topic and answering it.....Ever hear the saying, "What goes around comes around" ? Better be careful, because what you dish out will one day come back to bite you in the butt....You did say you hoped to breed your little Izzy one day, right????
by bgstout on 29 September 2010 - 20:09
Steve is 100 % correct. Not very many people on the database follow the European guidelines for breeding, training and raising a working German Shepherd. I imagine it is very hard for him to believe there are people in the USA who could give a rats ass about the breed.
He trains and meets with the best Belgium trainers and breeders the World has to offer and only knows one way, the right way. Give them hell Steve-O!
He trains and meets with the best Belgium trainers and breeders the World has to offer and only knows one way, the right way. Give them hell Steve-O!
by OGBS on 29 September 2010 - 20:09
Steve1,
There are ways to get your point across. Usually, this comes in the form of being respectful to others.
The fact that you keep calling others names and berating them proves that you are in fact a liar about being a gentleman. Most men that I would call a gentleman never have to talk about being one. They just are. Saying that Jenni isn't a lady is not gentlemanly, nor is saying that you were thinking something much more vulgar about her.
Again, if you had bothered to take the time to see what Jen had written you would understand that she OFA'd her female's hips and would do so with the elbows if the hips came back with a good or better rating. She did not want to OFA the elbows if the hips came back bad and she certainly wasn't going to breed this dog if it had bad hips or elbows. This should be easy enough for an old limey like yourself to read AND understand.
While you and your brother Phillip may have written a book about pigeons, it does not prove that you are a good writer. It only proves that you had something of value to a publisher and they chose to put it in to print. What people see here on PDB on a daily basis from you is some of the worst spelling, grammar and punctuation by anyone who posts here. Your defense of that is that we should know what you are talking about is very weak. You are also constantly issuing challenges to others here. This is also weak and ungentlemanly. You sound like a young boy in a pub trying to prove how tough he is, and, really no one cares.
Please try to get back to being the good guy that you can be. You have much to offer, but, you are easily led towards another path.
There are ways to get your point across. Usually, this comes in the form of being respectful to others.
The fact that you keep calling others names and berating them proves that you are in fact a liar about being a gentleman. Most men that I would call a gentleman never have to talk about being one. They just are. Saying that Jenni isn't a lady is not gentlemanly, nor is saying that you were thinking something much more vulgar about her.
Again, if you had bothered to take the time to see what Jen had written you would understand that she OFA'd her female's hips and would do so with the elbows if the hips came back with a good or better rating. She did not want to OFA the elbows if the hips came back bad and she certainly wasn't going to breed this dog if it had bad hips or elbows. This should be easy enough for an old limey like yourself to read AND understand.
While you and your brother Phillip may have written a book about pigeons, it does not prove that you are a good writer. It only proves that you had something of value to a publisher and they chose to put it in to print. What people see here on PDB on a daily basis from you is some of the worst spelling, grammar and punctuation by anyone who posts here. Your defense of that is that we should know what you are talking about is very weak. You are also constantly issuing challenges to others here. This is also weak and ungentlemanly. You sound like a young boy in a pub trying to prove how tough he is, and, really no one cares.
Please try to get back to being the good guy that you can be. You have much to offer, but, you are easily led towards another path.
by Pharaoh on 29 September 2010 - 20:09
That is a good point YR, about two certified dogs consistently producing a large number of bad hips. The breeder is not ethical enough to do the right thing. If those bad hip/elbows puppies are not sent in to OFA (with permission to publish bad results) there is no way for even a careful buyer to avoid those litters. You can look it up and it won't be there
www.offa.org/search.html
That is where the system falls down completely. There is a provision for this in the SV scheme. The parent dogs ZW score would go down with every HD or ED puppy. www.schaeferhunde.de/site/index.php
I know there have been times when certain combinations were forbidden.
We do not have anything like that in our OFA system. I wish we did.
AKC would have to grow a set of balls and team up with OFA in setting new rules for registration, publishing bad results no matter what. Eventually, it would have a big effect.
Michele
www.offa.org/search.html
That is where the system falls down completely. There is a provision for this in the SV scheme. The parent dogs ZW score would go down with every HD or ED puppy. www.schaeferhunde.de/site/index.php
I know there have been times when certain combinations were forbidden.
We do not have anything like that in our OFA system. I wish we did.
AKC would have to grow a set of balls and team up with OFA in setting new rules for registration, publishing bad results no matter what. Eventually, it would have a big effect.
Michele
by bgstout on 29 September 2010 - 20:09
Steve, Jenni is a lady I have seen pics! Maybe you misunderstood her first post.
Do the right thing and apologize to her for the misunderstanding.
The others not so much.
Do the right thing and apologize to her for the misunderstanding.
The others not so much.
by steve1 on 29 September 2010 - 20:09
Nona
If she is ever bred from at least She will have been Temperament tested, Show Graded , will have her AD Endurance Test vital over here to get korclassed, and Korclassed as well as a work Female On the ScH field with Titles,
Along with that goes a- normal Hips and Elbows, and a Top Class Pedigree, She will be mated to a WUSV top Contender who has scored in the Worlds several times as well as being a V rated Dog, Javir Talka Marda is one i think of, young Gina's Father, He too is a- normal Hips and Elbows
Or perhaps the winner of the WUSV last year he is another prospective suitor for Izzy But whatever male she goes with will it will be a Dog with Top Joints and a top WUSV dog and with a great pedigree behind him, nothing less will be mated to her.
So at least i will be giving the Pups to be every chance in the world to be healthy and with good joints no one can do more, that is more than you have done or ever will do by the way you talk
Nona there is an old Saying in Breeding
'The Apple does not fall far from the Tree'
Steve1
If she is ever bred from at least She will have been Temperament tested, Show Graded , will have her AD Endurance Test vital over here to get korclassed, and Korclassed as well as a work Female On the ScH field with Titles,
Along with that goes a- normal Hips and Elbows, and a Top Class Pedigree, She will be mated to a WUSV top Contender who has scored in the Worlds several times as well as being a V rated Dog, Javir Talka Marda is one i think of, young Gina's Father, He too is a- normal Hips and Elbows
Or perhaps the winner of the WUSV last year he is another prospective suitor for Izzy But whatever male she goes with will it will be a Dog with Top Joints and a top WUSV dog and with a great pedigree behind him, nothing less will be mated to her.
So at least i will be giving the Pups to be every chance in the world to be healthy and with good joints no one can do more, that is more than you have done or ever will do by the way you talk
Nona there is an old Saying in Breeding
'The Apple does not fall far from the Tree'
Steve1
by sueincc on 29 September 2010 - 20:09
You can say what you want about Steve but I will bet my last dollar that if and when he does breed Izzy, she will not only have her hips and elbows xrayed, she will have a low ZW number to boot. On top of that she will be breed surveyed and a schH3, and most likely will have her FH as well. As will the dog he breeds her to. As will at least 5 generations of dogs behind them. Finally I have no doubt he will take into consideration his trainer/breeder, a man respected by all who know him. That's a hell of a lot more than most in the USA do, because they don't have to (doesn't make it right not to) and honestly I don't care what your excuses or rationalizations are. In the USA you are free to breed with no health clearances. Personally I like to stack the deck in my favor when it comes to puppies or young adult dogs, and take as few chances as possible, so guess which breeders I buy dogs from and recommend others buy dogs from!
by OGBS on 29 September 2010 - 21:09
Really?
At least five generations of FH dogs?
I'd like to see that.
I also looked at Javir and Sam. Both those dogs have a number of non Sch-3 dogs in their five generation pedigree, some not titled at all.
At least five generations of FH dogs?
I'd like to see that.
I also looked at Javir and Sam. Both those dogs have a number of non Sch-3 dogs in their five generation pedigree, some not titled at all.
by nonacona60 on 29 September 2010 - 21:09
'The Apple does not fall far from the Tree'
Steve1
Thats true.....In the last 12 yrs, we have bred 2, I repeat 2 litters producing a total of 13 puppies....of which 7, The oldest puppies turning 16 months on the 28 of this September. Of those 7, 4 have been xrayed, and show no sign of HD, and they will probably get an OFA certification. The other 6 puppies are only 7 wks old....So you are right Steve, the apple does not fall far from the tree......Good luck with your Izzy..you have stated you have a couple people interested in a pup from her. Thats awesome..I never ever breed because a couple people want puppies......Keep your dreams high....But if the SV didn't have such restrictions on breeding, I wonder how many breeders would honestly still do all the requirements.....I bet the number of certifications would drop......
Oh, to be free and live in the good old USA..!!!!! I'M proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free...
This is it Steve1, no more post from me on this topic.....From this point forward, I will just say, you are right no matter what....There you have no reason to keep this going....Let it rest.....
Steve1
Thats true.....In the last 12 yrs, we have bred 2, I repeat 2 litters producing a total of 13 puppies....of which 7, The oldest puppies turning 16 months on the 28 of this September. Of those 7, 4 have been xrayed, and show no sign of HD, and they will probably get an OFA certification. The other 6 puppies are only 7 wks old....So you are right Steve, the apple does not fall far from the tree......Good luck with your Izzy..you have stated you have a couple people interested in a pup from her. Thats awesome..I never ever breed because a couple people want puppies......Keep your dreams high....But if the SV didn't have such restrictions on breeding, I wonder how many breeders would honestly still do all the requirements.....I bet the number of certifications would drop......
Oh, to be free and live in the good old USA..!!!!! I'M proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free...
This is it Steve1, no more post from me on this topic.....From this point forward, I will just say, you are right no matter what....There you have no reason to keep this going....Let it rest.....
by bgstout on 29 September 2010 - 22:09
What are the dogs in Javir's 5 generation ped that are not titled?
Steve, pet breeders will never understand.
Steve, pet breeders will never understand.
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