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Wdog86 get whatever kind of dog *you* want, after all you're the one living with it.  But don't be waving a flag insisting there should be some sort of breeding revolution just because most people have dogs for pets and don't work them.

Personally *I* would never have a dog as a pet, which is why I have a working dog.  Honestly if you look around there are more and more people who are breeding towards what you are talking about, the 'pet' quality GSD and less in the working lines.  This board happens to talk more about working lines and high level show lines.  Someone linked you to what looks like a perfect Yahoo group for you to discuss the good qualities over the oversized shepherd.  Wonderful, go and enjoy it and I won't go there and start bashing about how it's ruining the breed.

Otherwise, please consider that you are coming across as a rude, defensive troll.  Either write this forum off as not having the info you want or see if anything talked about here might interest you, if not go find what you want, get a dog and be happy.

>Wdog86 get whatever kind of dog *you* want, after all you're the
>one living with it. But don't be waving a flag insisting there should be
>some sort of breeding revolution just because most people have
>dogs for pets and don't work them.

Did someone wave a flag asking for a revolution, or are you just making crap up to suit you?

>Personally *I* would never have a dog as a pet, which is why I have a
>working dog. Honestly if you look around there are more and more people
>who are breeding towards what you are talking about, the 'pet' quality GSD
>and less in the working lines. This board happens to talk more about working lines
>and high level show lines. Someone linked you to what looks like a perfect
>Yahoo group for you to discuss the good qualities over the oversized shepherd.
>Wonderful, go and enjoy it and I won't go there and start bashing about how it's ruining the breed.

Once again, did someone actually say that, or are you just making crap up to suit you?

>Otherwise, please consider that you are coming across as a rude,
>defensive troll. Either write this forum off as not having the info you want or see
>if anything talked about here might interest you, if not go find what you want, get a dog and be happy.

Well, as someone more familiar with the board mentioned up front, I shouldn't be surprised if I run into people with real personality problems here.

You're a cute little troll Wdog86.  Run along now, find a nice doggie to play with.

If I came on here (and I did, when I joined), looking to learn about the GSD, looking for, in the future, a pup, this would be the place to do that.  If I were looking for just a pet, I could find one from someone here, as long as I wasn't telling everyone that the "standard" didn't mean anything to me, because I didn't want a working dog.  If I came on here, saying what you said, basically that you want a grossly oversize dog but it has be a GSD, and the standards mean nothing, because I don't want a working dog and don't care about it, then I would deserve to be told to go elsewhere.

What drew me to the breed was the total package, the proportionate head, body that is longer than tall, the ability to do anything, the brains, the beauty.  This dog is a very nice example of a GSD...In my opinion, of course.



The oversize dogs tend to be oversized more in some ways than others.  As I said before, I did see a couple that I thought were proportionate, but for the most part, they are not great, not anything that would be bred by the breeders here, even if they were not oversized.  Many of them looked to me as if they were massively overweight, and I'd bet that if you got them off the couch and DID something with them, they'd trim ten to twenty pound off in a hurry.  So yes, you're right...They're not really that big.  Just fat.  Which, by the way, isn't that good for the dog's health.  Fat dogs suffer from a lot of problems thinner, healthy ones don't.

They might have great temperament for a GSD, but then they might not.  What defines great temperament kind of depends on what you're doing with the dog.

I find it interesting that you write long posts, talking about every little nuance of a person's post, but you just keep beating a dead horse.  We know you want a huge dog.  We know you don't give two hoots and a holler about the standard, because you don't intend to work the dog.  We know that you say that 92% of GSD are family dogs and never work a day in their life (I read that on one of those oversize GSD websites, too).  So fine, we've established that you want what no one on this board breeds.  You've been given links to those kennels that we know about, and to a Yahoo discussion forum for oversize, so why are you still here, posting about the same thing over and over again?  This is a standard GSD board, not a non-standard.  Most of those here love the GSD as it is (I certainly do) and have no desire to see it bred to Great Dane proportions, or even mastiff, for that matter.  I took some pics off Legacy's site...

These are some of the dogs I specifically referred to...Loose, mastiff like lips, expressions that just don't look GSD to me, the list goes on..But you get the idea.  I didn't have time to back through all the sites and find the one or two pics I thought actually resembled GSD.

As stated above, it's your choice, wdog, what you take home, and it's wasting your time and energy coming here and arguing with us about your tastes.  It's yours.  Is this a religion for GSD fanciers?  No.  But some of us respect the standard that created the GSD, and we want it to stay as it is, and not be  stretched out, enlarged, shrunk, mentally destabilized, or otherwise changed.

Crys

Have you even looked at the websites provided?  Or have you just been cruising, looking for another post to pick apart?
Every post that you've posted has had a definite attitude in the tone...Just as my post here does, and it continues.  When confronted with it, you are innocent and say that you just came here looking for advice, and breeders and didn't like the attitude displayed.  You know why we feel the way we do, and we know why you feel the way you do. We do not agree, you and I.  Not a big deal.  Let's drop it.

Go find your dog, wdog. 

Good luck with your search. 
There are big dogs out there. 
Someone will sell you one. 
Enjoy him,or  her.  I'm done here, done with you.  Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall, so I'll go find something useful to do, like love my little blind puppy, and maybe track down some tracking tips, so I can start training her to do a job...Something fun, besides lay around.

Crys

Yes, I looked at every one of them -- bookmarked them, too -- and thanks to everyone who posted a link or some other reference. That's what I came here for.

I also read your rather confused posts where you seem to think that someone only mentioned ONE requirement (please refer to the original post, if that isn't too challenging for you.) 

Then I read the post where you were apparently unable to understand that "don't see the reason for the standard" and "want something different" are two separate things.

Let me give you a hint. People are less likely to think you are an asshole if you actually read and respond to what they say and don't get all confused about "don't see the reason for the standard" and "want something different". You know, like your friend who got all confused and thought someone was calling for completely changing the standard.

Is the problem that you just can't read what other people say, or are you just so wrapped up in your own prejudgments that it doesn't matter what they say?

>For the record as it has been pointed out several times it is called a
>"Breed Standard." So, it's not my point of view it is the standard set
>for the breed. I love the GSD and respect people who take care to
>preserve the breed.


Did you catch the part about how that means nothing to the vast majority of people who own GSDs? Why does it mean nothing? Because their dogs will never do any more "work" than going for a walk with the kids. Therefore, it doesn't matter whether the dog fits into that height requirement, or the weight requirement, or whatever.

So why are you interested in a GSD?  Certainly, if the "standard" which is what makes a GSD a GSD, is not important, than a GSD is not important.  You would be happy with any big hairy dog. 

Good for you. But just for the record, just to keep you straight -- call me before you ever buy another dog because I have never met you and therefore I know which dog is right for you. You know, same way that you have never met me but know which dog is right for me.

Why would I call you?  What you know about GSD's couldn't even fill your last post.  Thanks for the offer, but I'll stick with people that actually know something about dogs. 

Crysbuck25 nice puppy, good luck with her.  Rlhar good posts but it's obvious that Wdog86 just doesn't get it.  He doesn't understand what a GSD is and never will.....but he wants a really big one to impress people.  Go figure.

I am finished with this thread as there is just no point

Jim

Let me give you a hint. People are less likely to think you are an asshole if you actually read and respond to what they say and don't get all confused about "don't see the reason for the standard" and "want something different". You know, like your friend who got all confused and thought someone was calling for completely changing the standard.

Is the problem that you just can't read what other people say, or are you just so wrapped up in your own prejudgments that it doesn't matter what they say?

 Wow, calling someone else an asshole, and I thought it was just me.  Just  a suggestion, not everyone who disagrees with you is an asshole.  Perhaps you need some more of those lessons in manners and courtesy from your charm school. 

>Wow, calling someone else an asshole, and I thought it was just me.
>Just a suggestion, not everyone who disagrees with you is an asshole.
>Perhaps you need some more of those lessons in manners and
>courtesy from your charm school.

Well, just FYI, I participate in far more controversial discussions than this one on a regular basis and I don't generally conclude that the people are assholes.

I reserve that for people who don't read what others say, make up their own shit to suit them, think that they and they are alone are the guardians of purity in all things (and anyone else is ignorant/stupid//inferior/immoral), and make stupid, erroneous judgments about people they never even met. That brings us to you and some of your friends.