The decline of the German Shepherd character - Page 70

dam that is a calm full grip.

 

 

young male only third time doing any type of bite work i think he is 7 months old maybe 8 at most.this is his first long bite look at the control he outs on first Command i did not put a lot of pressure on him in this video building his confidence .this dog was taught to out by thronging a ball when he brought it back he out right away every game you play must be a learning experience for the dog .this dog is now 15 months very little interest in the sleeve all about the man dont have video of him now but il get one

yes VK but no courage, no civil, no agression , easy to be fooled by nice videos of dogs working in safe scenario , IPO competition is also safe scenario

I think VKs reaction proves Duke's point.

 

Meanwhile, going back to the 'ancestral' bit of the topic, while I agree with

Susie & others who say the most recent generation or two is what is really

relevant to the individual dog and its abilities / temperament / physical

phenotype,  I for one do always take an interest in what lies further back.

It isn't Joan's "romantic" reasoning, its about the genetics and health.  If I

learn from a pedigree that the great great grandsire was - or was known to

transmit - epilepsy or haemophilia, for instance, then I am very interested,

from the point of view of buying or breeding, because there is no way I want

to double up on that in the future.  (If I know what he had, or passed on, was

something more nebulous, like prey-drive or jumping ability/inclination, at

least the knowledge he is in the pedigree will give me advance notice / warn

me to watch for the cropping up of any apparently inherited traits from that far

back.)   [Likewise, bitches in the pedigree history.]

 

It is my experience that buyers (of S/L at least)  unless Show people or putative

participants themselves, do not give two hoots about which dogs are in the pup's

pedigree.  Most 'sensible' people who are just looking for a companion dog of the

breed, who may also want one for PP or amateur-level dogsport,  are just not

interested beyond the parental generation.  (Those who are not sensible and are

easily impressed by a row of Champions, while knowing nothing of the dogs concerned,

probably shouldn't be sold pups anyway !)    And let's face it, as has often been

pointed out on PDB,  out of every litter bred for Work or Show, there are usually

as many or more of that type of buyer as there are people who want a pup because

they really want to compete with it, in any arena.

      Yogi, you say you didn't put a lot of pressure on the dog but the dog seems to absolutely shut down when it outs. The dog shows a lot of fear toward you. I would have preferred to hear the dog bark to get the full picture. 

       This breed requires its breeders to be active trainers and know what they are seeing in the dog. Schutzhund provides scenarios where an experienced person can tell what they are seeing. Schutzhund was developed as a breed test, not so much as the title earned but as an opportunity for a knowledgeable person to see those qualities that the breed must possess. I could see the signs in the dog in the video that Duke posted.

 

Duke, question from a SL person, why is the dog in the vid you posted whining constantly? Is that why so many use that horrible loud music in their videos, so one can't hear their dogs vocalizing? Our local club has held some trials and breed surveys I've helped with and I can't remember ever hearing one of those dogs whining like that. I'm talking working and show lines.

Blitzen, the dog on the field with duke is not the oneS whinning , its dogs behind the camera most likely frustrated over wanting to go out and work.

Oh, okay, I looked at it again and see it's not that dog whining. Duh....... what do you expected from a showline person . I guess all I really noticed the first time was how badly that dog needed to be groomed .

Still wondering why so many use that awful music in their dogs' videos? Terrible.....

Prevent the cussing from being audable?:-)
The dog might be hearing impaired the way the handler, from three feet away, cups her mouth when shouting the out command. Finally a little tweek to the flank outs him. There are many signs that dog is week nerved...demeanor tells it all, reluctance to out because it is safer on the sleeve than off, Munchy bites with inscisors, nervous at approach of handler in guarding pose...... Duke, very good video for teaching reality to people who depend on videos to evaluate dogs.

Interesting guard test  scenario  today not many breeders/handlers  take  much atention to this

 

Not much pressure  and yes he is wearing a suit but I like te dog.

 

The handler looks inexperience  but the dog passed the test.