Are protection dogs more dangerous then untrained one? - Page 7

I stole this from a saying about carrying a weapon.

"Why do you have a protection dog? What are you afraid of?"

"Not one darn thing!" 

LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I love it.

Prager-
All valid points you make.
I did add that „that‘s just me“. I’m not critizing any one that has one, or might need one.

And, I know, first-hand, that dogs are one of the best helpers for many people with PTSD. They don‘t have to necessarily be PP dogs.

Here are my concerns about the amount of people that think they need a pp dog due to their popularity in social media lately...

In order to give a GSD a good successful and breed appropriate life, it takes a lot (did I say a lot?) of commitment and love for the breed and a lot of general dog knowledge and specifically, the in-depth study of pp training. The commitment is huge.

Learning to train and work with a PP dog is not only a huge commitment, but the huge amount of dog knowledge, can‘t be learned in a short time. It takes years.
A lot of time, thought and energy must be spent on the dog. And, every dog is different and will show different issues that need taking care of. Only experience will nip things in the bud.

Not everyone is suited emotionally or intellectually to do the above. Even if they think they are. Many that think they want a PP dog have no idea about anything concerning a pp dog and training. We all know how complex teaching a dog can be. The old adadge, „It is simple, but not easy.“ is an understatement of massive proportions when it comes to pp training.

The husband that wants protection for his wife and kids...maybe never had a GSD before...or any dog....are busy with raising kids, ...keeping up house and yard, or organizing others to do it, and then having to learn about a PP dog, learning the training, keeping up the training, spending the appropriate time per day with the dog to keep him balanced...and you CAN‘T have someone else do it. You have to do it yourself. It just seems very very hard to me for a lay person and some mothers with kids with no previous knowledge. Not saying ALL mothers...but some will not have the time or energy. Or, people who are not home all day, due to work commitments.

Ok, store owners, pawnshop owners...have to deal with some unsavory customers, I‘m sure. I would have a big dark GSD laying next to me too. But, in some cases, a gun under the counter is also a good solution. A lot less work to take care of your gun than to take care of your pp dog.

Celebrities...ok..maybe good candidates for one. A body guard or property security team works too. More expensive, yes.

I just think that it is a HUGE commitment. One that some might not even realize when signing on the dotted line to purchase such a pretrained dog. The idea of having a PP dog is tempting and romantic. But reality can be a lot different.

If people come to you with a dog already, and want to train it as a PP dog, and the dog is temprametally sound and has the mojo, that might be ok, as the owners are learning by doing along with the dog. And, they are already emotionally connected to the dog.

I’m not sure, but I think you sell or train these dogs Prager?
If you really screen your clients, educate and train with the owners constantly, train only the appropriately tempramentaly sound dogs, and are there to troubleshoot all the time for the life of the dog....take the dog back if it doesn't work out. Then I really do commend you!

Sorry, I don‘t mean for some of my post to be so long...they just weirdly seem to become long!


 

PS:
Prager:
“Jessyjones. If you are in serious need of Pp dog then you MUST not rely only on it's instincts.”

Me: I agree ... I know most dogs will not protect with a bite, if push comes to shove, if they are not trained. But often the dog or the bark, is enough of a deterrent.

Joan

Valk, when you say " professional personal protection dog", paid by whom? A police k9 unite employed dog? Or a professional dog to be sold to Uber rich who don't know a ppd from a sch dog?

police K9/border dog isn't really a protection dog. they rather tactical tracking/attack dogs with assignment to work in team with handlers.
protection dog aimed more for shadowed guarding and to prevent perpetrators to reach their targets. object of guarding usualy not a dog's handler but the person, assigned to be protected by dog in different environment/situations, regardless availability or absence of dog handler.
foremost such dogs must be very intelligent and be abile to work independently.
but as i said earlier, protection dog selection and training is very complex task and obviously not subject of this topic. 

 ZweiGSD
Trained protection dog should out on command from a bite. Untrained one would not. Untrained one is more dangerous.

well, some  "dude" in ghetto like to be "cool", got a pitbull and trained him to attack anything, breathing and moving in close proximity. thus dog is trained but, after training is that dog become safer that he was before training?

In my country when people train SAR dogs they are willing to become part of an actual SAR team, that said the training is necessary because of real life jobs.
"Trained PP dogs" are not existant - forbidden by law...but anybody who thinks he is in need of a so called "PP dog" tends to raise and train a dog within the clubs 😎.

A stable dog ÷ obedience = almost always anything a person needs...

 ZweiGSD
Trained protection dog should out on command from a bite. Untrained one would not. Untrained one is more dangerous.

well, some  "dude" in ghetto like to be "cool", got a pitbull and trained him to attack anything, breathing and moving in close proximity. thus dog is trained but, after training is that dog become safer that he was before training?

 

ValK -

I guess the type of protection/bite training that I know is quite different than the type you are involved in.  I thought this thread was about properly trained dogs.

I saw on the last page where someone mentioned carrying a muzzle in their car in case they may be stopped by the police. Probably not a bad idea for some dogs. The officer would appreciate it if you could control your dog. But if there is a problem, roll down the window about 4-6 inches and explain the situation. If you do have to reach in the glove box or any other place for a muzzle (or anything for matter), let the officer know your intentions and ask if it's alright to do it. It's normally not a big deal. Dogs often get suspicious when you get pulled over. Your behavior changes as you have that old crap moment of having blue lights behind you, the dog then observes some stranger (hopefully he's a stranger and your not a frequent flyer) walking up slowly, touching your trunk lid, looking in the vehicle (with a flashlight if at night), and leaning down close to you in a weird position. If needed you may be asked to roll up the windows and step to the back of the vehicle. Most of the time the window rolled down a few inches is all that is needed.

Yes Jessyjoness since you ask. I import sell, breed train Czech GSDs. Actually, I train all breeds. I have spent the better part of my life training people's (from me or theirs) dogs for protection AND the people who own them. I b=never take dog in training I insist that the owner of the dog participates in the training of the dog. We are talking well over a thousand dogs and their owners went through my training. I am not counting. I work with LE or private parties. One thing I will say is that well-trained dog in a family is a tremendous asset on many levels. I could say infinity of levels. Some of my dogs protected women being robbed, and some warded of burglars in peoples house. Stopped car jacking ,....and on and on. I have never had a complaint that my pp trained dog bit the wrong person. I beleive it is mainly because I teach my clients how to handle their dogs and if out of state I travel there for handler's course. I also then strongly urge them to continue training with a good trainer and I encourage them to send me videos of their training and tell them that I am always away only as far as their phone. I do all the maintenance training and advice over the phone and so on free of charge. I care about "my dogs" and "my people" who have them. Many are my close friends now. Personally, I think that everyone who sells training of Pp dogs and PP and LE dogs should do at least as much as I do. On the other hand there are people who buy a dog and go through the initial handler's course and that is it. The dog then just basically becomes a house dog and runs on a momentum of what he or she was trained,..... which is OK as well. of course I tell people that it is not the dog but that they are the team and both need training to be efficient. And if they do not practice the quality of usefulness of the pp dog will go down. I teach tactics of dog use and so on. I think it is a positive experience all around. For the client, the dog, and for me as well.
The reason I am saying all this is because it fits into this thread about the safety of Pp trained dogs.
I hate for people not to get Pp dog because of the wrong notion that such dog is dangerous, vicious, bloodthirsty beast where the exact opposite is the truth if the buyer is educated and the education depends on the seller. I want people and their children have valuable positive experience owning a dog and better yet protection dog.
Train your dog!!!!
Prager Hans