What do you fear if Hillary gets elected? - Page 7

Joan Ro interesting note on phones during socialism. when I lived in Czechoslovakia the wait for phones for 12 years and a for cars - after you pay for it cash was 4 - 10 years depending on a model.

GSDadmin your meme is totally ignorant of what is fascism. It would be laughable what Democrats put up for ignorant public to read if it's ignorance would not be so depressive. Where fascist system like socialism demands that all means of production, transportation services and private property are under centralized control of government, they capitalist systems mostly facilitated by some forms of democracies, the control of means of production, transportation and services and private property is in private hands. Thus the capitalism it antithesis to fascism.
The problem is that democrats are using word fascism as an insult without understanding what it actually means or understanding what it means but hoping that useful under educated masses do not understand what fascism means.
I bet you $100 that 99% of people on the street will not be able to explain what is fascism, socialism and capitalism and even democracy. That is why such idiotic 1/2 truth memes are possible to gain any footing.

Notisyou if you hate Ayn Rand, so much how come you published your story in a book containing hers? Your idiotic insistence that because I like her writing I also share her idiotic ideas on genocide of Indians just shows how much troll you are.

So, you are saying that "Government run by capitalist bosses for their own benefit is fascism." is an ignorant saying. Read it slowly and maybe you will understand. If a government controls the things you say make it fascist who gets rich? Who benefits the most? A few or many? Those in power? I think your whole post is nothing more than soapboxing. Pontificating. Drama. By calling the statement ignorant - it proves who the ignorant one is.

hundmutter @Hans: WTF is "representative democracy which promotes capitalism..." ? A democratic election is a democratic election; one or more competing parties might espouse capitalism as a way forward, but there is no such thing as 'democracy' which only promotes one viewpoint - then it becomes NON democratic. And they don't produce dictators ? Hitler was ELECTED in 1933; Mugabe and Marcos also came to power through the electoral route. These are 3 examples where elections seen as relatively 'fair and free' initially placed their country in the hands of an individual who then gradually destroyed that country's democratic systems. Egypt under Morsi is widely reckoned to be headed the same way.

 

Hans@Hundmutter,  no need to be nasty. You ask: WTF is "representative democracy which promotes capitalism..." ? The answer is that US     representative  republic promotes individual freedoms and individual freedoms lead to capitalism.    Where socialism does the opposite. It thwarts individualism which leads to centralized power.  

  And as far as Hitler being elected goes?   He was not elected he was appointed.   Hitler was elected to be head of the Nazi party and not as a canceler of Germany.  To that position he was appointed. At that time he was elected and later on appointed  nobody knew what he was all about even though he have already written his book Main Kampf ( 1925)  where he clearly delineated all his plans.  However nobody read it or pay any much  heed to it. 

   Hitler's "rise" can be considered to have ended in March 1933, after the Reichstag adopted the Enabling Act of 1933 in that month. President Paul von Hindenburg had already appointed Hitler as Chancellor on 30 January 1933 . The Enabling Act—when used ruthlessly and with authority—virtually assured that Hitler could thereafter constitutionally exercise dictatorial power without legal objection. So as you can see Hitler was appointed into his final position  and after Enabeling act he virtually became who he ended up to be. 

The enabeling act was enacted in direct response to the Reichstag fire of 27 February 1933. This fire was most likely fake and while blamed on Communists it is basically  proven Historical fact that it was done by Nazis in order to seize power.  Regardless who started the fire on the evening of 27 February 1933 — six days before the parliamentary election — fire broke out in the Reichstag chambers. While the exact circumstances of the fire remain unclear to this day, what is clear is that Hitler and his supporters quickly capitalized on the fire as a means by which to speed their consolidation of power. Hitler almost immediately blamed the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) for causing the blaze, and believed the consequences of the fire would result in more Germans to support the Nazis.  Hitler was heard shouting through the fire "these sub-humans do not understand how the people stand at our side. In their mouse-holes, out of which they now want to come, of course they hear nothing of the cheering of the masses."  So as you see Hitler was not really elected into his position. He was apointed and took over. 

 I am not going to boor anyone by Marcos or Morsi   which also were not elected as dictators but became as such  after they got elected.  And that was my original point.   

gsdadmin: So, you are saying that "Government run by capitalist bosses for their own benefit is fascism." is an ignorant saying.

Hans: who says those words in quotation marks? and where? Did you make it up? 

gsdadmin: Read it slowly and maybe you will understand. If a government controls the things you say make it fascist who gets rich? Who benefits the most? A few or many? Those in power? I think your whole post is nothing more than soapboxing. Pontificating. Drama. By calling the statement ignorant - it proves who the ignorant one is.

Hans: You ask :" a government controls the things you say make it fascist who gets rich?"
The answer is YES! People in governmental power get rich. That is what socialism is all about. Look when the government in name of common good takes away our liberties that is fascism . They do it why? Not to help us . Such notion is extremely naive. But because they want all the centralized power in their hands. Why do they want centralized power in their hands ? Money!!! Power is Money.
That is what socialism and other fascists systems are all about.

Hans, it said it in the meme, good god stay in the conversation. You called it ignorant but you agree. lol, have a drink on me, okay. lol.

SSDD - Maggie Thatcher came to power though being elected as a Conservative MP, who was subsequently 'elected' within her Party as its Leader and thus became Prime Minister. There are many who thought her behaviour could be described as 'dictatorial', and there was considerable concern that had she achieved a further term as PM she would legislate to stick in power, and become more so. (Probably about as rational as the idea that Obama was setting up for a third term as POTUS,but some genuinely believed it possible.) But a (nominally) socialist party overturned hers in a general election AFTER her own ministers had turned against her; the fact that Hitler got appointed Chancellor after his getting into a position of political power, to which he was ELECTED in 1933, is just you changing the goal posts to fit your own argument again, Hans.

If interested in a (mostly) intelligent conversation and examination of aspects of Ayn Rand's speech and answers to a Cadet question at West Point:

 http://forum.objectivismonline.com/index.php?/topic/14475-rand-on-native-americans-question-at-west-point/&page=1

(Noitsyou, I don't think you gave an accurate statement on this subject, myself.)

Not a fear, but reality that she is determined to expedite globalization and flattening out the civilized west to 'equal' the squalor of Africa and Mideast with population redistribution...this toxic senario is admitted to by blair.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/25/blair-immigration-globalism-good/