Just having fun with the puppy - Page 7

So now we are at the point of "LOL", "SMH", "hilarious", "esoteric"...

Guess I answered your question already : "I don´t know how to translate properly, it´s a mindset, a status quo, in the best case the result of social aggression, dominance, old fashioned fight drive - as I said a basic attitude ( mostly innate, not trained ). "

In case you still don´t understand my description ( you don´t need to like it, but it would be pretty neat if you would be able to UNDERSTAND it without being sarcastic ) -

think about a dog you are agitating for the first time ( for example maybe a one year old green dog ) , you are the helper, and you do use a tug ( you and the tug in movement ).

The more "prey oriented" dog will care about the tug
whereas
the more "civil" oriented dog will care about you, the helper.

All of this only generally speaking, because there are various degrees of drives, and possible variations.

Once again, I think we need to distinguish between a "civil dog" ( genetics ) and "civil bitework" ( training ).
Can´t be that difficult to understand, even if you think different...

I'm not missing anything. Prager said a civil dog is one who will bite a person who isn't wearing equipment. There must be a lot of civil dogs out there because I doubt all the people who go to the hospital every year for dog bites were wearing equipment.

I think those of you who are going to throw out terms need to have clearer definitions because even among those here who have a lot of experience with bite work there seems to be disagreement on how these terms are defined.

"I think those of you who are going to throw out terms need to have clearer definitions because even among those here who have a lot of experience with bite work there seems to be disagreement on how these terms are defined."

That´s why I asked.... only out of curiosity - are you able to understand "my" description of "civil" ( you don´t need to agree with it, it´s just about the explanation..).

Otherwise Duke is right, a lot of dogs do bite, although they are not civil. There are a lot of reasons a dog may bite, be it fear, fright, territorial behavior ( the newspapers ! ) or anything else.

Kind regards

noitsyou, you are still missing a bit, hospital treated dogbites are there for many reasons such as foodagression, stupidity of owner, interfearing with fighting dogs, people running away for dogs triggering prey, fearbiters
did I mention stupidity from owners, quite a few agression/dominance stuff from bull breeds and so on

Susie. just because your definition is different does not mean that others do not have clear definition. notisyou speciality in his life is to put everything on its head by asinine reasoning. So what he says is irrelevant to me. Even though it is different from what I am used to I appreciate your or duke's definition more then uneducated rambling of a former newspaper delivery boy. Reson being you have practical experience to back it up. 

Did I ever tell you I was a newspaper delivery girl while at school and university?
I quit because with working for a security service I was able to make more money...

The tables sure have turned. Now, Prager is following Noitsyou around with disparaging remarks. Seems those stalking accusations he made were BS.

Do you guys never stop...another thread heading South with the same players taking it there. Quit now!!!!!!

Susie, I think how you differentiate a natural and civil born dog vs. civil training a dog, makes perfect sense.

Thank you so much, Bee, I already thought Duke´s and my English suck that much... 

I normally don´t care too much about "words", but I think it´s pretty important to know if a dog is "civil" or if a dog is "civil trained".

For a "job" this may not be important - in case they are well trained both dogs will bite when asked to do - but for daily life and training it will make a big difference.