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by rtdmmcintyre on 05 December 2013 - 13:12
No one controls me either...... Wait I have been married for 28 years, Ohhh never mind.
by Slamdunc on 05 December 2013 - 14:12
Shawty,
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I can assure you that I am not listening to any former mods, any disgruntled mods or anyone else. I understand better than most that there are three sides to every story. What I have said is based on first hand information, not conversations with anyone else.
If one is to use the Business model and the "6 managers" as an analogy, then yes the CEO, President, VP's and mangers are all held responsible for the success of any business or venture. You certainly don't blame the consumer or customers for finding a better product or service else where.
Dunkin Donuts can not blame the customer who now goes to Starbucks for a decrease in sales and revenue. Instead, they need to modify their approach, become creative and bring the customers back. They certainly wouldn't chastise the customers for leaving and trying something different.
Ultimately, even with a sports team the manager is responsible for how well the team does. If players are not contributing they are traded, if the team isn't doing well the attendance is down. Ultimately, who is responsible? Not the fans.
Really, my intention was not to "blame" anyone but have some one step up and accept responsibility. My hope was the conversation could be turned from blaming to how to correct the issue. Perhaps, I am the only one that thinks the dog threads are waning? Perhaps, everything is just great and people are happy with how everything is? Maybe, it's just me and I can accept that.
My thinking is the question really should be "is there a problem? Are the dog related threads less active and if so how does one rectify this issue?" If there is a problem, if dog related topics are actually down, then how odes one fix it? How does one make this site an excellent resource not just for Pedigrees but for canine related topics? What is needed to draw folks back? Is it even possible and if so how can it be accomplished?
I think identifying and addressing the problem is the correct way to go. Then a plan to rectify it. No need for blame, what's needed is a positive approach to the issue.
JMO FWIW
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I can assure you that I am not listening to any former mods, any disgruntled mods or anyone else. I understand better than most that there are three sides to every story. What I have said is based on first hand information, not conversations with anyone else.
If one is to use the Business model and the "6 managers" as an analogy, then yes the CEO, President, VP's and mangers are all held responsible for the success of any business or venture. You certainly don't blame the consumer or customers for finding a better product or service else where.
Dunkin Donuts can not blame the customer who now goes to Starbucks for a decrease in sales and revenue. Instead, they need to modify their approach, become creative and bring the customers back. They certainly wouldn't chastise the customers for leaving and trying something different.
Ultimately, even with a sports team the manager is responsible for how well the team does. If players are not contributing they are traded, if the team isn't doing well the attendance is down. Ultimately, who is responsible? Not the fans.
Really, my intention was not to "blame" anyone but have some one step up and accept responsibility. My hope was the conversation could be turned from blaming to how to correct the issue. Perhaps, I am the only one that thinks the dog threads are waning? Perhaps, everything is just great and people are happy with how everything is? Maybe, it's just me and I can accept that.
My thinking is the question really should be "is there a problem? Are the dog related threads less active and if so how does one rectify this issue?" If there is a problem, if dog related topics are actually down, then how odes one fix it? How does one make this site an excellent resource not just for Pedigrees but for canine related topics? What is needed to draw folks back? Is it even possible and if so how can it be accomplished?
I think identifying and addressing the problem is the correct way to go. Then a plan to rectify it. No need for blame, what's needed is a positive approach to the issue.
JMO FWIW
by Carlin on 05 December 2013 - 14:12
Dunkin Donuts can not blame the customer who now goes to Starbucks for a decrease in sales and revenue.
Now THAT, is an authoritative source !
by GSD Admin on 05 December 2013 - 14:12
lol, at Carlin.
No, maybe not Jim but when you have respected members telling everyone to go elsewhere, putting up closed signs and generally arguing with admins because they feel it is their right to question, belittle and generally be pain in the butts to admins, well it is what it is. I didn't get training like I am sure you have had in the profession you are in, I was thrown into a mess and asked to clean it up. I did what I could, I trusted others to do things that always didn't work out. Sue me, throw me under the bus and then back over me and try again.
I didn't send people PMs telling them we could read PM subject lines only to have that respected member leave, then you wonder where everyone is going, ironic in the least, huh?
No, maybe not Jim but when you have respected members telling everyone to go elsewhere, putting up closed signs and generally arguing with admins because they feel it is their right to question, belittle and generally be pain in the butts to admins, well it is what it is. I didn't get training like I am sure you have had in the profession you are in, I was thrown into a mess and asked to clean it up. I did what I could, I trusted others to do things that always didn't work out. Sue me, throw me under the bus and then back over me and try again.
I didn't send people PMs telling them we could read PM subject lines only to have that respected member leave, then you wonder where everyone is going, ironic in the least, huh?
by erin j on 05 December 2013 - 14:12
Slamdunc,
FB has a ton of working dog pages.. working-dog.eu has a page, just type in IPO training, Mondio Ring, French Ring, SCHH in the search box and you can skim through the pages to see what ones you like. There is a page K9 Comando, it's got a ton of cool pics from military handlers and LE handlers from all over the world. Nothing really training wise, but it's pretty neat to see all the different working dogs and their handlers.. A lot of kennels are on there too, you just got to weed through the crap LOL.. But I am sure you can spot the B.S pages :)
FB has a ton of working dog pages.. working-dog.eu has a page, just type in IPO training, Mondio Ring, French Ring, SCHH in the search box and you can skim through the pages to see what ones you like. There is a page K9 Comando, it's got a ton of cool pics from military handlers and LE handlers from all over the world. Nothing really training wise, but it's pretty neat to see all the different working dogs and their handlers.. A lot of kennels are on there too, you just got to weed through the crap LOL.. But I am sure you can spot the B.S pages :)
by mrdarcy on 05 December 2013 - 15:12
Any further dog related comments should be done in PM or on the other forums, thank you
by Slamdunc on 05 December 2013 - 16:12
Well, my point in all of this is that I believe there is a problem and it should be addressed and rectified. I am trying to move beyond our past disagreements and animosity towards each other. You are bringing up things from a couple of years ago and I am trying to discuss relevant issues. My intention is not to argue with you, but rather to figure out how the site can generate more positive threads. That is my only interest here, to see if we can generate more training, working, showing, dog related topics. I have training from several professions, I have owned a Restaurant and other companies in the wholesale pet industry. My current profession is a "second career" and my life long ambition. I understand customer service from the retail side and from my sales and marketing experience. I always listened when customers came to me to complain, criticize and naturally praise my service or product. Sometimes the customers were a pain in the ass, but it didn't necessarily diminish the validity of their comments. I always appreciated some one who came and let me know of issues that I might be unaware of. Sometimes, a different perspective is a good thing.
I have no idea who the respected member is that left because they found out that you can see who PM's whom?
I was hoping that it might be possible to discuss ways to generate more informative posts? If not that is fine. If I am over stepping my bounds, I most certainly will stop. I don't think arguing is going to benefit anyone, especially me.
I hope I may have started some people thinking about ways to jump start the forums. I would much rather go on the latest posts page and have 10 interesting posts to read and participate in then anything else.
FWIW
I have no idea who the respected member is that left because they found out that you can see who PM's whom?
I was hoping that it might be possible to discuss ways to generate more informative posts? If not that is fine. If I am over stepping my bounds, I most certainly will stop. I don't think arguing is going to benefit anyone, especially me.
I hope I may have started some people thinking about ways to jump start the forums. I would much rather go on the latest posts page and have 10 interesting posts to read and participate in then anything else. FWIW
by mrdarcy on 05 December 2013 - 17:12
Since this particular thread has gone way off topic I suggest you put your concerns and any ideas you have in a PM to a moderator. This thread is not really the place for this discussion.
Thank you for your concerns they have been duly noted, but you are free to start any amount of training, working, showing and dog related threads as you please, not here but on the other 5 forums available for such discussions.
Thank you for your concerns they have been duly noted, but you are free to start any amount of training, working, showing and dog related threads as you please, not here but on the other 5 forums available for such discussions.
by GSD Admin on 06 December 2013 - 01:12
I have a few points to make and then I am locking this thread as it has gotten way off topic and actually deals with questioning the admins about how this site has been run. If it is true that you know what is happening then you have a good idea how to fix it but I haven't once seen one word of constructive criticism or thoughts on how to fix it.
"I have owned a Restaurant and other companies in the wholesale pet industry. My current profession is a "second career" and my life long ambition. I understand customer service from the retail side and from my sales and marketing experience. I always listened when customers came to me to complain, criticize and naturally praise my service or product."
Really, did said customers stand up in the middle of the restaurant and start loudly questioning the way the restaurant was being run or did they do what MOST NORMAL people would do and take you off to the side and offer their thoughts? Did they hold up signs saying the food had botulism and to go to the restaurant up the street? Did they go behind your back and whisper to your other customers that your food had been dropped on the floor? Did they call the health department and then start rumors that you bribed the health department because the health department didn't respond?
"Really, my intention was not to "blame" anyone but have some one step up and accept responsibility."
Accepting responsibility is the same thing as accepting blame, you are very good at double talk and anyone with any sense at all reading this would see you are in reality actually trying to lay blame. I could copy and paste more examples but I really don't have the time to deal with this double talk non-sense.
YOU have over time done nothing but slam this site this admin and when you peel back the layers of it all OLI as well. I have my own thoughts on why you have done all you have done but those are just my opinions and are going to remain just my opinions.
Finally, YOU are more than welcome to start any thread about training or for that matter any dog thread you want and try and turn things around but on one hand you say you want less animosity but you get upset because I ask a simple direct question of who. If you want to discuss this further and share some ideas to really truly help this site that YOU profess to love then feel free to PM me or any other admin. There is one thing about me and that is once I stop getting dumped on I am fast to forgive and forget.
"I have owned a Restaurant and other companies in the wholesale pet industry. My current profession is a "second career" and my life long ambition. I understand customer service from the retail side and from my sales and marketing experience. I always listened when customers came to me to complain, criticize and naturally praise my service or product."
Really, did said customers stand up in the middle of the restaurant and start loudly questioning the way the restaurant was being run or did they do what MOST NORMAL people would do and take you off to the side and offer their thoughts? Did they hold up signs saying the food had botulism and to go to the restaurant up the street? Did they go behind your back and whisper to your other customers that your food had been dropped on the floor? Did they call the health department and then start rumors that you bribed the health department because the health department didn't respond?
"Really, my intention was not to "blame" anyone but have some one step up and accept responsibility."
Accepting responsibility is the same thing as accepting blame, you are very good at double talk and anyone with any sense at all reading this would see you are in reality actually trying to lay blame. I could copy and paste more examples but I really don't have the time to deal with this double talk non-sense.
YOU have over time done nothing but slam this site this admin and when you peel back the layers of it all OLI as well. I have my own thoughts on why you have done all you have done but those are just my opinions and are going to remain just my opinions.
Finally, YOU are more than welcome to start any thread about training or for that matter any dog thread you want and try and turn things around but on one hand you say you want less animosity but you get upset because I ask a simple direct question of who. If you want to discuss this further and share some ideas to really truly help this site that YOU profess to love then feel free to PM me or any other admin. There is one thing about me and that is once I stop getting dumped on I am fast to forgive and forget.
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