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by ggturner on 04 December 2013 - 22:12
@shtal: Sorry but I put more trust in someone who has formal training in theology over someone who does not. Theologians that have successfully graduated from an accredited theological seminary understand Hebrew and Greek languages which help them interpret the Bible. To me this is the same thing as trusting my health with a physician who was formally trained at an accredited medical school verses a quack who never attended medical school.
by Shtal on 05 December 2013 - 00:12
ggturner, I am sure there are people in this world with same believe as I am who holds higher education with Ph'd. and etc...That is not the problem, but the problem is which credibility are you going to trust...And you remind me a story of Jesus and pharisees (Mark 6:1-6)
Something similar as you discredited GSDguy08....
You may laugh at this example, but here it goes.
If we read that chapter, pharisees were marvelled about three things....lol nobody marveled about GSDguy08.....lol that is not what I mean or my point but you will understand why I gave this example.
First of all if we read that chapter about Jesus, the words of grace that was coming out from his mouth, Pharisees noticed that, because he spoke like authority person but not like scribes and Pharisees; they were simply marvelled of his wisdom and they were marvelled of his power that was lay/fulfill through his activity/actions. They did understood that what he speaks and how he speaks and how he does which presents divinity power, wisdom and authority that comes from origin of divinity; and they were marvelled. And then they were asking three questions? Where this is from that what he has, his wisdom, power and authority. But notice they were also asking different questions; who he is? Really who he is? They say but he is just a carpenter, son of carpenter. His four brothers among us and two sisters, and his mother among us too; he is just a carpenter and son of carpenter. Who he is? And it is written that they were offended “lure” at him or in other words “lure” did not count him who he really was. And I see similar example with GSDguy08 sources and credibility by saying; Who he is? Really who he is? Where is GSDguy08 credibility and as well higher education Ph'd and stuff, and you are not giving him credibility and trust, but like I said I am sure there are people in this world that hold same believes as I am that is theologians who successfully graduated and holds higher education and understand Hebrew and Greek languages and stuff....lol...okay, That said, now I really wanted to finish Jesus story here....lol...Nothing related now...lol... just finish the story...When people not only confirm authority that he had, and then they started to ask themselves let us understand/grasp who he is. Do you remember what was the result; in the beginning they were disturbance with full of violence against him and then they walked him out of synagogue and put him on top of hill and they wanted to throw him down. What happened with those people that were delighted, astonishment and had confirmation! – Till the moment to violence of anger, why atmosphere had changed? Why did the hearts of people had changed and what did restricted Jesus from his actions to do good for these people and it is written the word unbelief, but their is also other word – Jesus himself commentaries and said such words, when people started to understand/grasp what he did and how he spoke and under what authority he was doing it and they try to understand/grasp who he is? “Personally himself” he was simply carpenter, son of carpenter, brother that is sitting among of other four of his brothers, son of marry; who he really is? And they were offended “lure” at him. And so Jesus commentaries the core of this problem, how did unbelief were revealed/develop; unbelief is common word, but how was in practice did unbelief revealed/develop. And he commentaries and tells the core of the problem; Jesus said a prophet is not without honour, let me try to tell you this with different tongue, minister of a prophet is always accompanies with honour and respect to a prophet. But there is three positions/places where honour of a prophet or respect of a prophet is belittle; it is the first thing is with relatives, homeland and in his house. What is very interesting and exactly about unbelief that it has being revealed in disrespect which restricted Jesus Christ of making any actions/things for these people; they didn’t acknowledge him who he was for real in divinity plan of salvation. Please acknowledge this when Jesus was telling to people and tried to reveal his power, he often said over and over same phrase, do you believe that I’ am son of God or do you believe that I’ am messiah. We are talking about the power of honour. Authority of grace and conditions for passing divinity of power is what Jesus said about honour or faith. Jesus couldn’t; but I believe he wanted help those people, they said who he is? He is simply carpenter, son of carpenter and his brothers among us, who is he putting/presenting himself and they were offended at him.
btw......lol I am not interested turning this thread into the beat goes on....
Sincerely I am saying God bless you ggturner!
Take care,
From Shtal.
Something similar as you discredited GSDguy08....
You may laugh at this example, but here it goes.
If we read that chapter, pharisees were marvelled about three things....lol nobody marveled about GSDguy08.....lol that is not what I mean or my point but you will understand why I gave this example.
First of all if we read that chapter about Jesus, the words of grace that was coming out from his mouth, Pharisees noticed that, because he spoke like authority person but not like scribes and Pharisees; they were simply marvelled of his wisdom and they were marvelled of his power that was lay/fulfill through his activity/actions. They did understood that what he speaks and how he speaks and how he does which presents divinity power, wisdom and authority that comes from origin of divinity; and they were marvelled. And then they were asking three questions? Where this is from that what he has, his wisdom, power and authority. But notice they were also asking different questions; who he is? Really who he is? They say but he is just a carpenter, son of carpenter. His four brothers among us and two sisters, and his mother among us too; he is just a carpenter and son of carpenter. Who he is? And it is written that they were offended “lure” at him or in other words “lure” did not count him who he really was. And I see similar example with GSDguy08 sources and credibility by saying; Who he is? Really who he is? Where is GSDguy08 credibility and as well higher education Ph'd and stuff, and you are not giving him credibility and trust, but like I said I am sure there are people in this world that hold same believes as I am that is theologians who successfully graduated and holds higher education and understand Hebrew and Greek languages and stuff....lol...okay, That said, now I really wanted to finish Jesus story here....lol...Nothing related now...lol... just finish the story...When people not only confirm authority that he had, and then they started to ask themselves let us understand/grasp who he is. Do you remember what was the result; in the beginning they were disturbance with full of violence against him and then they walked him out of synagogue and put him on top of hill and they wanted to throw him down. What happened with those people that were delighted, astonishment and had confirmation! – Till the moment to violence of anger, why atmosphere had changed? Why did the hearts of people had changed and what did restricted Jesus from his actions to do good for these people and it is written the word unbelief, but their is also other word – Jesus himself commentaries and said such words, when people started to understand/grasp what he did and how he spoke and under what authority he was doing it and they try to understand/grasp who he is? “Personally himself” he was simply carpenter, son of carpenter, brother that is sitting among of other four of his brothers, son of marry; who he really is? And they were offended “lure” at him. And so Jesus commentaries the core of this problem, how did unbelief were revealed/develop; unbelief is common word, but how was in practice did unbelief revealed/develop. And he commentaries and tells the core of the problem; Jesus said a prophet is not without honour, let me try to tell you this with different tongue, minister of a prophet is always accompanies with honour and respect to a prophet. But there is three positions/places where honour of a prophet or respect of a prophet is belittle; it is the first thing is with relatives, homeland and in his house. What is very interesting and exactly about unbelief that it has being revealed in disrespect which restricted Jesus Christ of making any actions/things for these people; they didn’t acknowledge him who he was for real in divinity plan of salvation. Please acknowledge this when Jesus was telling to people and tried to reveal his power, he often said over and over same phrase, do you believe that I’ am son of God or do you believe that I’ am messiah. We are talking about the power of honour. Authority of grace and conditions for passing divinity of power is what Jesus said about honour or faith. Jesus couldn’t; but I believe he wanted help those people, they said who he is? He is simply carpenter, son of carpenter and his brothers among us, who is he putting/presenting himself and they were offended at him.
btw......lol I am not interested turning this thread into the beat goes on....Sincerely I am saying God bless you ggturner!
Take care,
From Shtal.
by gouda on 05 December 2013 - 01:12
by gouda on 05 December 2013 - 01:12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_theologians
For ggturner klick on their names and find out what they believed.
gouda
For ggturner klick on their names and find out what they believed.
gouda
by gouda on 05 December 2013 - 01:12
by Ruger1 on 05 December 2013 - 08:12
Gouda,,I have an idea 
Why don't you go and find a good anti Muslim article and post it!! ,heheheh,,,
Why don't you go and find a good anti Muslim article and post it!! ,heheheh,,,by gouda on 05 December 2013 - 09:12
Hi sweet Ruger1
The only real reason you want me to post an Anti Muslim post,to get me banned.
That way I wont be around when you drop out of a predestination post,coming soon.
Your a sweet little trickster. But you cant fool an old man.But then you knew
that I would catch on right away,thats why you posted it.
Your a naughty,naughty little girl. Have a nice day.
gouda
The only real reason you want me to post an Anti Muslim post,to get me banned.
That way I wont be around when you drop out of a predestination post,coming soon.
Your a sweet little trickster. But you cant fool an old man.But then you knew
that I would catch on right away,thats why you posted it.
Your a naughty,naughty little girl. Have a nice day.
gouda
by Ruger1 on 05 December 2013 - 09:12
Gouda, you are a wise old owl !,,,lol noth'in getting by you,,,
However, I have zero intentions of posting anything unless you force me into it,,,Keep blabbering on and I just might !!,,~~,this is how I look
when I get my Calvinism on,,,,lol ,,,,
However, I have zero intentions of posting anything unless you force me into it,,,Keep blabbering on and I just might !!,,~~,this is how I look
when I get my Calvinism on,,,,lol ,,,,by gouda on 05 December 2013 - 09:12
You look absolutely fantastic when you are angry,keep it up.
gouda
gouda
by gouda on 05 December 2013 - 09:12
Its not me,it will be someone else.So get that fantastic look off your face.
gouda
gouda
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