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by Shtal on 18 September 2013 - 04:09
by Carlin on 18 September 2013 - 10:09
Hund - the helicopters weren't as much a part of an argument as they were a tool to build a bridge; given the ensuing posts, it was an effective one.
Not so. I wouldn't allude to something not based on fact. It took 52 years for Nasa to prove the 4th dimension, but it is now fact. Superposition as first postulated by the electron gun experiment is just a much a fact, and is now being scaled in laboratory experiments. While the implications are not well understood, the foundations are pretty well cemented. This is in the same vein as the work being done at the LHC. In truth, you are actually both alive and dead even irrespective of quantum mechanics, due to the curvature of space/time - proven. This is the same science that makes GPS possible. The point is, scientific progress continues, and the notion that we have some particular depth of understanding that should be considered anything other than relative seems like both supreme arrogance, and ignorance. In fact, I suppose that in a way, it's almost as ignorant as medieval geocentricism. Both sides amuse me here, because both are so confident in the structural of integrity of the box they inhabit. Some, perhaps VK4 and yourself seem to take that to mean an undermining of science; quite the contrary. My embrace for the sciences finds me in opposition to many of these claims in support of "creationism". Perspective is the key, and that's a difficult proposition from inside the boxes we're given. There's a good reason why scientists don't run the show, and it has a lot to do with missing the proverbial forest for the trees.
When it comes to findings, incomplete is incomplete, and you yourself admitted that "it's because it hasn't been dug up yet". Science is an art of questions. Whenever I happen across those with more answers than questions I generally become suspect of intellectual maturity. My experience has been that every discovery has come with even more questions. That's why I am comfortable not having all the answers. The participants in the ongoing argument (whether in or beyond this forum) strike me similarly as do teenagers interested only in proving their point. At the end of the day, in the big scheme of things, how much can they really know? We talk a big talk considering our insignificant little station on this little marble floating through the vastness of the cosmos.
Theories about time and relativity and other dimensions are
just theories still, no proof yet they are fact
Not so. I wouldn't allude to something not based on fact. It took 52 years for Nasa to prove the 4th dimension, but it is now fact. Superposition as first postulated by the electron gun experiment is just a much a fact, and is now being scaled in laboratory experiments. While the implications are not well understood, the foundations are pretty well cemented. This is in the same vein as the work being done at the LHC. In truth, you are actually both alive and dead even irrespective of quantum mechanics, due to the curvature of space/time - proven. This is the same science that makes GPS possible. The point is, scientific progress continues, and the notion that we have some particular depth of understanding that should be considered anything other than relative seems like both supreme arrogance, and ignorance. In fact, I suppose that in a way, it's almost as ignorant as medieval geocentricism. Both sides amuse me here, because both are so confident in the structural of integrity of the box they inhabit. Some, perhaps VK4 and yourself seem to take that to mean an undermining of science; quite the contrary. My embrace for the sciences finds me in opposition to many of these claims in support of "creationism". Perspective is the key, and that's a difficult proposition from inside the boxes we're given. There's a good reason why scientists don't run the show, and it has a lot to do with missing the proverbial forest for the trees.
The bit about the incomplete fossil record is nonsense
When it comes to findings, incomplete is incomplete, and you yourself admitted that "it's because it hasn't been dug up yet". Science is an art of questions. Whenever I happen across those with more answers than questions I generally become suspect of intellectual maturity. My experience has been that every discovery has come with even more questions. That's why I am comfortable not having all the answers. The participants in the ongoing argument (whether in or beyond this forum) strike me similarly as do teenagers interested only in proving their point. At the end of the day, in the big scheme of things, how much can they really know? We talk a big talk considering our insignificant little station on this little marble floating through the vastness of the cosmos.
by beetree on 18 September 2013 - 11:09
Great post, Carlin!
by Two Moons on 18 September 2013 - 13:09
You two should get a room......lol
Well Bee anyway.
GPS,
I don't think so Dave.
I think you complicate something very simple.
Theories are full of labels, more fiction than reality.
I agree that the questions must never stop if we are ever to understand anything, somewhere in time there are answers but I think many grasp at straws, strings as it were, in too big a hurry, jumping over instead of pushing through.
I don't really think this fourth dimension is a new discovery, but just another name for something as old as old.
Everything is in motion, everything is connected, and there is a balance in nature, no super this or super that.
I can give you one explanation for missing fossils, consumption by other organisms, everything has always been food for something else.
The fossils we do find were kept safe by other means, not all were so lucky.
This science too is full of holes and many rush to fill them with theory.
Moons.
Well Bee anyway.
GPS,
I don't think so Dave.
I think you complicate something very simple.
Theories are full of labels, more fiction than reality.
I agree that the questions must never stop if we are ever to understand anything, somewhere in time there are answers but I think many grasp at straws, strings as it were, in too big a hurry, jumping over instead of pushing through.
I don't really think this fourth dimension is a new discovery, but just another name for something as old as old.
Everything is in motion, everything is connected, and there is a balance in nature, no super this or super that.
I can give you one explanation for missing fossils, consumption by other organisms, everything has always been food for something else.
The fossils we do find were kept safe by other means, not all were so lucky.
This science too is full of holes and many rush to fill them with theory.
Moons.
by Shtal on 18 September 2013 - 13:09
Carlin, speaking of supernatural, back in the days of Jesus, people couldn't comprehend even his own people that followed him, he had to explain the kingdom of God using many parables in his teachings.
by Two Moons on 18 September 2013 - 13:09
Also based on theory and imagination, imagine how he would be greeted today.
You keep forgetting yours is not the only one.
You keep forgetting yours is not the only one.
by Two Moons on 18 September 2013 - 14:09
What if the next evolution in religion is a fourth dimensional being from another time in space who seeded the earth with organic life forms yet in it's own dimension is nothing more than common,
and it forgot where it left us.
Or it simply expired.
and it forgot where it left us.
Or it simply expired.
by beetree on 18 September 2013 - 14:09
Moons, don't embarrass Carlin with myself. He's safe from me. His lovely wife and daughters are quite precious to him from what I can tell.
by Two Moons on 18 September 2013 - 14:09
That's not what I meant but ok.
by beetree on 18 September 2013 - 14:09
Yeah right. Feel free to explain what you did mean. Please.
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